[meteorite-list] Meteorite Doubting Thomas

From: Matthias Bärmann <majbaermann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:49:34 +0200
Message-ID: <000901c7fd27$cb18f1f0$0200a8c0_at_ibmtp23>

Oh yeah, our utmost estimated docu-soaps of the legendary "Chiemgau Impact":

We see the little village with happy celts (all from Romania ;-), cooking,
making love, children playing ... Suddenly the sky darkens dramatically,
lightnings (!) flickering & thunder, a sudden storm blowing dust high in
the air - and then they appear: burning torches, flying like arrows,
hittting the little huts and burning them down immediately. / Cut / A
totally burnt landscape can be seen, covered with ashes. / Cut / The heroic
people return to their place and, 1 minute later, they've develloped a
revolutionary technique of forgery. The new weapons, sold to the Romans,
enable them to build their Empire. And the trade makes the little celtic
village happy again and rich. And if they haven't died, they are still alive
today.

I wonna believe!

Matthias Baermann

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Doubting Thomas


See the link from Paco:
http://fcpn.umsa.bo/fcpn/app?service=page/Planetarium

Seems there are no big pieces found yet, only dust and crumbs.
And the analyses -- a chondritic pallasite... that sounds not so good...


Yep, that's often the same problem with media.
With new suspected falls, they show always people, neighbours, witnesses,
holes, craters.... but a meaningful picture of the objects themselves, in
most cases not.

You have to understand Mike, a meteorite phhht - is a meteorite, so what.
The most normal thing on Earth. The people are interesting, the craters and
damages are sexy.
If police or "scientists" said, it's a meteorite, then it is a meteorite,
the case is clear, why to show the boring stone then.

See also BBC and Discovery documentations about meteorites.
30 minutes or longer, only by chance and for a few seconds a true piece of
meteorite will be shown. It's not so attractive as the human factor, huuu we
heard such a noise, and I said, Daisy I said, I hope Herb hasn't forgot to
open the garage door...
and happy innocent dinos - and woooooosh...
and Golde Gate Bridge and Manhattan kaboooom,
and Tsunamiiiiiiiiiis......
and noisy asteroids in space with white shark theme...

Who cares about stones, when the people in Peru got headache.


Steve and Geoff are pioneers, they brought back REAL meteorites on the
screen!

Best!
Martin



-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael
Farmer
Gesendet: Samstag, 22. September 2007 15:47
An: Chris Peterson; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Doubting Thomas

I just dont understand why, one week later, we have no
photos of the pieces collected. It seems the media is
all over this, as I was watching it in Spain, but thay
are not interested enough to take one photo of pieces
recovered. It seems to already be in the lab, so why
no photos shared among scientists?
There are too many if's with this one, it seems that
in order to get information, maybe I should just go do
it myself.
Michael Farmer

--- Chris Peterson <clp at alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:

> Tracy-
>
> I think proper skepticism is certainly in order.
>
> Meteorites arrive cool because several minutes have
> ordinarily passed
> since they were traveling fast enough to produce
> atmospheric heating.
> But if they are several meters across, they can make
> it all the way to
> the ground still moving at a hypersonic speed. Such
> a meteorite will
> certainly be hot at impact, and will produce an
> impressive crater.
>
> Things don't quite add up with this event, which
> makes it interesting. I
> wouldn't expect a body large enough to crater, but
> small enough to
> produce such a small crater, to be stony. The area
> of the crater is very
> remote, but I would have expected an impressive
> fireball seen over a
> vast distance. I'd think additional small craters
> would be likely. A bit
> of seismic activity doesn't prove much, since
> anything that could
> produce a crater this size would also produce
> seismics. But I haven't
> heard that there were any infrasonics produced, as
> would be expected
> from a large fireball. If this was a meteorite,
> especially a stony one,
> the fall dynamics are going to be very interesting
> indeed.
>
> Chris
>
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tracy latimer" <daistiho at hotmail.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "tracy
> latimer"
> <daistiho at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:37 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Doubting Thomas
>
>
>
> I have problems with the meteorite theory:
> 1. Meteorites, as this List knows, come in cold,
> not hot enough to make
> the water in the crater "boiling", as several
> witnesses stated.
> 2. Meteorites usually travel a long distance from
> where the glowing
> meteor is first seen. If the locals saw the bolide,
> chances are good
> whatever they saw fell a long distance away, not
> close enough for them
> to get there soon after it fell.
> 3. Speaking of rocks, by now, everyone in every
> little hamlet knows
> that there are crazy people out there who pay big
> money for meteorites.
> If there was a "shower of rocks" associated with the
> fall, how come none
> of the other purported meteorites have been
> recovered?
> 4. I await the analysis of a real meteorite
> specialist, not a
> geologist, not a vulcanologist, and not media
> speculation! No reputable
> scientist from outside Peru has so far investigated
> the crater or seen
> the alleged meteorite fragments.
> 5. The sickness associated with the crater is a
> likely red herring, and
> unrelated to a real meteorite.
>
> My 2 centavos.
> Tracy Latimer
>
>
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