[meteorite-list] cartoon

From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:51:43 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <778907.62589.qm_at_web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all -

This Carancas story is getting to be quite an epic - I
wonder if anyone will write it all up for Meteorite
magazine.

I am sure that Mr Gregory's emails have taken their
toll on Mike, but I doubt if Mike helped himself with
the people of Peru with that offensive cartoon.

Thaddeus's comment about cokeheads was uncalled for,
as chewing coca leaves alleviates altitude sickness.

The only comments that I have are to note the
difference between this and the Moss recovery,
to note what a class act Bob Haag was and is, and to
note that the strewn field is still there, which may
hopefully end up putting a little money in the hands
of the local people.

My opinion is that a main mass, if it survived, should
be displayed down at the Lake instead of in Lima.

Gentlemen and ladies, could we keep a certain level of
civility here?

good hunting,
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas


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> 1. Re: MORE COMET HOLMES #3 (Sterling K. Webb)
> 2. Re: MORE COMET HOLMES (mexicodoug)
> 3. Re: morrocan and americain influence on
> pairing (PolandMET)
> 4. Mali meteorite: racism, to begin (Thaddeus
> Besedin)
> 5. Re: Great picture that summarizes Peru's
> scientific minds.
> (Thaddeus Besedin)
> 6. 34g Millbillillie and historic Texas fall - AD
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> 7. Re: discoidal rock receptacles (Thaddeus
> Besedin)
> 8. Re: Peru news - finders keepers (Thaddeus
> Besedin)
> 9. Re: Great picture that summarizes Peru's
> scientific minds.
> (Michael Farmer)
> 10. Re: Mali meteorite: racism, to begin (Michael
> Farmer)
> 11. Re: Great picture that summarizes Peru's
> scientific minds.
> (Thaddeus Besedin)
> 12. Re: Great picture that summarizes Peru's
> scientific minds.
> (Thaddeus Besedin)
> 13. Re: Great picture that summarizes Peru's
> scientific minds.
> (Michael Farmer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:00:13 -0500
> From: "Sterling K. Webb"
> <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MORE COMET HOLMES #3
> To: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>,
> "Meteorite List"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
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> Hi,
>
> 6.7 arc minute is 469,000 km at 17P's distance.
> 13-17 arc minutes is 910,000 to 1,190,000 km.
> The first brightening was observed at Tennerife
> just after local midnight, October 24, or about
> 52-54 hours ago. If the "bright" coma radius is
> now 235,000 km, it's been expanding at roughly
> 4500 km/hour and the extended coma at 10,000
> km/hour. Another 24 hours (Friday night) would
> add 216,000 km to the "bright" coma diameter, or
> 685,000 km (9.7 arc minutes). This is about 1/3
> of the size of the Full Moon (which is 30 arc
> minutes). A second 24 hours of expansion would
> take the bright coma up nearly half the size of the
> Full Moon. (Of course, the expansion is not
> necessarily
> linear, but it may in fact expand faster than the
> linear...
> for a while.)
>
> Another of tonight's observations posted at the Sky
> and
> Telescope site: From S&T's Alan MacRobert: "Omigod.
> thin clouds lit by the full Moon I had to guess
> where
> Perseus was, but I swept around with 10x50
> binoculars,
> and wham, there was the comet! It's sure not
> starlike now,
> at least not in the 10x binocs with homemade image
> stabilization. It's a very sizeable bright fuzz
> spot, perfectly
> round, with a large, brilliant, hazy nucleus and a
> very sharp
> edge to the circular coma. Golden yellow with just a
> hint of green. When the clouds finally cleared and I
> could see it with the naked eye, it was still
> starlike to
> my vision. Magnitude 2.6 or 2.7." (Apparently you
> can
> just barely see the green, with big enough
> binoculars.
> Carbon monoxide like Hyutake?)
>
> IF (big if) this is a mega-outburst and the
> brightening lasts
> until Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, we will have 1, 2 ,
> and 3
> hours of dark sky with the comet in the sky at the
> beginning
> of night before the Moon rises (varies with
> lattitude). My
> local Weather Prophets say clear here by Saturday
> --- keep
> going, Holmesie! May you get big and bright enough
> that
> ordinary people look up and say, "What The H*** is
> THAT Thing?"
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
> To: "Meteorite List"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 12:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MORE COMET HOLMES #2
>
>
> I've updated the profile at
> http://www.cloudbait.com/gallery/comet/holmes.html
> with data taken
> tonight. The brighter central coma is now at least
> twice as wide (6.7
> arcmin across), with some structure showing as far
> out as 13-17 arcmin.
>
> I did take some images tonight which I may add to
> the site tomorrow. I
> still see no structure, just a bigger object. Right
> now I'm running an
> overnight photometric sequence, so I'll see tomorrow
> how the brightness
> might be changing with time (that will actually be a
> light curve; the
> other data is an intensity profile).
>
> Chris
>
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sterling K. Webb"
> <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Meteorite List"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:40 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] MORE COMET HOLMES #2
>
>
> > According to Chris, the coma is about 3.3 arc
> minutes across,
> > or 230,000 kilometers. The very brightest part is
> about 2.8 arc
> > minutes or 196,000 km across. Chris has a light
> curve on his
> > website (URL below.
> >
> > Sterling K. Webb
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:40:22 -0500
> From: "mexicodoug" <mexicodoug at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MORE COMET HOLMES
> To: "Sterling K. Webb"
> <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>, "Meteorite
> List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
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> "you'll see that any tail (which by default points
> away
> from the Sun) would point away from the Earth at
> a very similar angle. The tail would (will) have to
> be
> fairly long before we got our first glimpse of it
> and...
> the coma is in the way, too."
>
> Sterling, this is not true for "any" tail. Due to
> the greater distance
> represented by each arcminute with such a relatively
> remote object to
> observe, the dust tail would be expected to develop
> more "slowly" from our
> perspective. (The Ion tail is another matter.)
>
> As covered in a previous post on the subject to
> Steve when we discussed
> Comet McNaught there are two tails on every comet,
> whether you see them
> easily or not. The Ion Tail, and the Dust Tail, and
> the dust tail usually
> forms fairly along the lines our senses would
> expect.
>
> Comet Holmes, is is quite far away, well into the
> cold main asteroid belt
> where the Solar wind is somewhat attenuated due to
> the distance (vs. your
> typical Sungrazer or comets making it closer to the
> Sun) and ion tail
> formation less dramatic (though certainly detectable
> if you were in Rosetta
> along for the ride). At just 1 proton per cm^3, it
> is around one sixth as
> dense as it is near Earth's orbit, providing this
> much less flux, somewhat
> like a black light (UV) light, that provides most of
> the energy to "light
> up" the ion tail. Given that the Solar Wind at that
> distance is a snails
> crawl only about 300 Km/s :-) and importantly only
> one sixth that even of a
> temporate Earth density, things are a little bit
> less chaotic in that
> neighborhood which basically 'starts' somewhere
> around Mars (1.5 AU), and
> certainly somewhat calmer by 2.5 AU of the comet.
>
> In this case, however, it seems plausible that a
> major disruption could
> provide a dust tail, which we have a nice
> perspective to view forming. Dust
> tails though will form much more slowly and this
> could start out just being
> the so-called "coma". Certainly, an Ion Tail is
> possible, but that is not a
> reason to rule out a conventional tail composed of
> larger neutral "dust".
>
> All of the interesting magnitude comments by Larry
> and myself become far
> more astounding and outrageous when we realize that
> this Comet is shining so
> bright * out there *. Larry has estimated what the
> magnitude would be if we
> were closer to the comet (on Mars). He hasn't
> covered what it would be if
> the comet were closer to us. I mentioned if the
> comet were where Mars is,
> it would be 25% as bright as the whole planet (this
> was yesterday). I need
> to clarify that. That would be correct if it
> received the same amount of
> Sunlight. But at a Mars distance, it would receive
> a Mars share of
> Sunlight. Nearly three times as much. In that
> hypothetical comparison the
> comet would actually be 75% the brightness of Mars
> and today surpass the
> brightness of the planet. If the comet were a
> typical comet we saw at say
> at a moderate 0.5 AU distance from Earth as well as
> 0.5 AU from the Sun, the
> magnitude would be over 10 times brigher due to the
> proximity to us, * and *
> over 25 times brighter due to the increased
> brightness of the Sun in its
> neighborhood. I'm sloppy with phase angles, but it
> is good to get an idea
> that it would be over 250 times even brighter. That
> is six more magnitude
> points: A diffuse object as bright as Venus!!!
> Then there is one more
> factor I didn't include. If it were that close to
> the Sun there is no
> telling how great the production of both tails would
> be, but clearly it
> would be a bright daylight object even at 0.5 AU.
>
> This hypothetical exercise may not be the situation,
> but thinking about it
> surely helped me appreciate how fortunate we are to
> be observing this event
> in our lifetimes. Good luck to you Walter and
> friends in your observations
> throught the clouds. Visually, at 10:20PM CDT
> (2007.10.26.14 UT), I
> estimate the magnitude and did not seen the super
> brightness increase
> reported and can only estimate m1 to be 2.6
> magnitude - still a health
> improvement over my 2.8 magnitude yesterday.
>
> Listmember Bob King deserves a real round of
> congratulations, having viewed
> the comet the night before last as the situation
> developed from the 7 th
> magnitude the evening of the event....
>
> Best wishes and back to the sky,
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sterling K. Webb"
> <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Meteorite List"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:17 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] MORE COMET HOLMES
>
>
> > Hi, All
> >
> > List member Chris Peterson is too busy
> observing
> > Holmes to post it here (rightfully), but his
> website has
> > excellent pictures of the comet and a lot of
> up-to-date
> > information:
> > http://www.cloudbait.com/gallery/comet/holmes.html
> >
> > Everyone mention that a tail "has not yet
> formed,"
> > but if you look at the NASA-JPL orbit simulation:
> > http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=17P;orb=1
> > you'll see that any tail (which by default points
> away
> > from the Sun) would point away from the Earth at
> > a very similar angle. The tail would (will) have
> to be
> > fairly long before we got our first glimpse of it
> and...
> > the coma is in the way, too.
> >
> >
> > Sterling K. Webb
> >
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:55:57 +0200
> From: "PolandMET" <marcin at polandmet.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] morrocan and americain
> influence on
> pairing
> To: <Impactika at aol.com>, <gmhupe at htn.net>,
> <azizhabibi at yahoo.com>,
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
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>
> > I agree with Greg only as far as this is
> concerned.
> > The problem could and should be taken care of at
> the source.
> > It would be relatively easy for Moroccan dealers
> to get together when a
> > new
> > meteorite appears, like the new one from Mali or
> this Lodranite or the
> > many-numbered Shergottite. You could put the whole
> mass aside and send
> > just one
> > sample of 20 grams to the University of
> Casablanca. You would probably get
> > a
> > response with a month or 2 and then you could all
> put the meteorite on the
> > market at the same time. And with just ONE number.
>
> Dear Annie
> This could happend in ideal world, and we not live
> there :)
> In Morocco live not 5 dealers but maybe 50 or 100
> bigger or smaller,
> moroccans, nomads and who else work with our stones.
> Some are more educated in meteorites some less, some
> deals only with
> meteorites and some only from time to time. Its just
> impossible to organize
> them. They protecting their sources and they
> customers from each other. This
> is competition who find more meteorites and sell
> more expensive.
>
> Also how we could get one number for our stones if
> we live all over the
> world ? We also protect our sources, everyone want
> be first to offer new
> material and noone will wait for me or for You till
> You show what You have
> and You send samples or photos to compare etc.Yep,
> how we can be sure that
> we all have the same material and we can all
> together send only one 20g
> sample ? Comparing on photos ? Not. Sending slices
> to every other dealer to
> compare my material with Yours ? Not. Tell You where
> I bough it ? I dont
> even think that anyone tell me where he buying his
> stuff.
>
> Some material show loooooong after its premiere. For
> example my specimen of
> MC046. I dont need to be Ted Bunch to know with
> number its paired but I dont
> make photos pairing or ask others if I can use their
> numbers, but make my
> own classification like we all do.
>
> So I think we must accept this situation. There is
> no possible to solve this
> problem if beetween us and meteorites work 10 or 20
> middleman's.
> Even if You come to morocco and want to buy all
> samples of meteorites (like
> Mali or latest shergottite) there will be alvays
> some samples that You will
> not find or even they will be sold like something
> else (lodranite as
> chondrite, lunar as eucrite) and someone else will
> buy it and make new
> classification becouse he dont know that his 500g is
> part of Yours 50kg. And
> at lest 500g sells better than 50kg so I dont
> expectthat that all dealers
> will split together even if its possible.
>
> We CARE as much as we can on meteorites in this
> situation. I alvays make
> detailed photos of main mass before cuting, sending
> type specimens, looking
> for possible pairings etc. But thats all I can do.
>
> -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
> http://www.Meteoryty.pl
> marcin at meteoryty.pl
> http://www.PolandMET.com marcin at meteorite.pl
> http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195
> --------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:58:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Mali meteorite: racism, to
> begin
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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> Every time our friends from the"dark continent" have
> something that you may potentially let go of your
> rent
> for, you doubt it. It's always a scam. I read about
> good old boys here on the list ripping you off (how
> COULD they!), and it's as if the phrase "they're all
> the same" is the first thing that pops up, though
> not
> in so many words. It took a white man to convince
> you.
> How fucking typical.
>
> Go collect state quarters and get your fingers out
> of
> your mouths!
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:09:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Great picture that
> summarizes Peru's
> scientific minds.
> To: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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>
> Your friend just ripped off someone else, with much
> more talent than either of you drunken cokeheads.
> How
> is that sort of theft not "barbaric?" You need to
> stop
> waving the word "Peruvians" or "Peru's" around as if
> they are one big collective awareness. You have no
> idea what science is, and what it is not. Let the
> rock
> oxidize. Why not? then we can study
> terrestrialization
> in a highland environment. Sampling is what science
> must do, thanks to greedy traffickers who profit
> without benefiting the institutions that make it
> possible to profit immensely. If you donated 10% of
> your profit to one institution to pay for analysis
> of
> a greater proportion of samples, then we can talk
> science.
> --- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > A friend of mine made this up tonight, it shows
> the
> > mentality of Peru's scientists with regard to the
> > Carancas meteorite fall.
> >
>
http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/INGEMMET_large.gif
> >
> >
> >
> > On another note, Randall Gregory is back to his
> old
> > tricks, threatening me and my family. I am about
> to
> > take serious action if it continues. It seems that
> > my
> > sales are driving him to insanity. He now thinks
> > that
> > he is working with the Peruvian government.
> > I think he needs serious help, the delusions are
> > getting worse by the day.
> > Anyone who wants to read some of the nuttier
> emails
> > can let me know, I will forward them.
> > Michael Farmer
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:18:06 +0200
> From: info at niger-meteorite-recon.de
> Subject: [meteorite-list] 34g Millbillillie and
> historic Texas fall -
> AD
> To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
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> in order to refinance some past acquisitions that
> turned out to be much more cost-intensive than
> expected we would like to point you to a selection
> of meteorites currently uploaded for auction.
>
> Among them a glossy crusted 34gm Millbillilie which
> I really regret to let go. But I am sure someone
> alse will enjoy the pleasure of curating this
> specimen as much as I did.
>
> The 11gm slice of the Kendleton meteorite comes with
> a large size reprint of "La Tribuna Illustrata"
> cover from May 21st 1939. The watercolored drawing
> done by artist Vittorio Pisani shows a Houston
> street scene whith a crowd terrified by the
> spectacular fireball of the Kendleton bolide
> traversing the sky. Both the contemporary magazine
> cover and the meteorite itself make a museum grade
> display unit:
>
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwerffroenne
>
> Thank you for your interest
>
> Svend
>
>
> --
> www.niger-meteorite-recon.de
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:35:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] discoidal rock
> receptacles
> To: "G?ran" Axelsson <axelsson at acc.umu.se>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
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> I'll sell my old Folsom, California brothel token as
> a
> "whore quarter," a little meteor than right.
> -Thaddeus
>
> --- G?ran Axelsson <axelsson at acc.umu.se> wrote:
>
> > Walter Branch wrote:
> > >> difference between coins, tokens, medals, and
> > rounds--
> > >> except for coin collectors.
> > >
> > > True. As a stamp and cover collector, I cringe
> > when I hear someone
> > > call it an envelope when to me it is a "cover."
> > >
> > > Also, a first day cover and event cover are not
> > the same thing.
> > >
> > > -Walter
> >
> > I know your feeling, Walter.
> >
> > As a coin collector since 25 years, this topic has
> > been a painful
> > experience.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > To me a coin is only a coin if it's been issued at
> > nominal value. No
> > matter what mints and other persons say, any
> "coin"
> > that is impossible
> > to get from a bank or mint at nominal value at
> least
> > once in it's
> > lifetime is nothing more than a glorified medal.
> If
> > the nominal value
> > has nothing to do with the price then it is not
> > currency.
> >
> > ... but that is only my opinion.
> >
> > I have written this mail a number of times and
> never
> > sent it, but
> > finally I had to add to the discussion. I promise,
> > the next message I
> > write will be about meteorites.
> >
> > Wait, I know! I will sell my silver dollars as
> super
> > nova coins. What do
> > you think?
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > /G?ran
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:44:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peru news - finders
> keepers
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> Just because something lands on "your" land doesn't
> mean you "own" it. What if luggage containing money
> came out of the sky, creating a crater, from an
> airplane that exploded in mid-air? Would I "own" the
> money? What if I found a human burial while digging
> a
> pool. Would I own the skull? You make us all look
> like
> collaborators with looters and traffickers. This
> legal
> stalemate itself is the problem. The Peruvian
> government is not going to put it on ebay, you know;
> what a waste, you must think. National patrimony
> should not be sold.
> -Thaddeus
> --- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I just had a 30 minute conversation with the
> > landowner
> > in Carancas.
> > He told me some interesting news. The federal
> > government of Peru has threatened imprisonment for
> > anyone who attempts to excavate the meteorite. The
> > townspeople want to dig it up, as I know well
> since
> > I
> > was at the meeting where it was voted for.
> > The scientists are threatening the people, saying
> > that
> > the meteorite will go to Lima and they will not be
> > compensated. This is causing a huge problem down
> > there.
> > So what was written today is total crap. I never
> > said
> > the meteorite was worth a million dollars or
> > anything
> > like that. The people are not idiots, they know it
> > is
> > worth a lot of money, and they hope to better
> their
> > lives with it. The government is dashing those
> > dreams
> > by forbidding it's removal. They are allowing it
> to
> > be
> > destroyed both for science and any economical
> gain.
> >
> > I tried to contact Nunez del Prado, I am going to
> > lay
> > into him, for spreading these lies about me.
> > Whatever
> > problems they are having are their own between
> them
> > and the locals. I guess they think they have the
> > right
> > to just romp in, do what they want, and take the
> > meteorite from the villagers. It seems the
> villagers
> > have other ideas.
> >
> > Michael Farmer
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:52:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Great picture that
> summarizes Peru's
> scientific minds.
> To: Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <411117.36033.qm at web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Anyone else on this list tired of being called
> thieves
> and pirates? Because 50% of the people on this list
> happily bought pieces, as well as many scientists.
> Thaddeus, this is getting old. Barbarism is war, and
> terrorism, I hardly think collecting rocks, and
> saving
> them from destruction qualifies. I am sick of being
> called names by you.
> Michael Farmer
> Any help here, or are the other list members going
> to
> just let his drivel continue?
>
>
>
> --- Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Your friend just ripped off someone else, with
> much
> > more talent than either of you drunken cokeheads.
> > How
> > is that sort of theft not "barbaric?" You need to
> > stop
> > waving the word "Peruvians" or "Peru's" around as
> if
> > they are one big collective awareness. You have no
> > idea what science is, and what it is not. Let the
> > rock
> > oxidize. Why not? then we can study
> > terrestrialization
> > in a highland environment. Sampling is what
> science
> > must do, thanks to greedy traffickers who profit
> > without benefiting the institutions that make it
> > possible to profit immensely. If you donated 10%
> of
> > your profit to one institution to pay for analysis
> > of
> > a greater proportion of samples, then we can talk
> > science.
> > --- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > A friend of mine made this up tonight, it shows
> > the
> > > mentality of Peru's scientists with regard to
> the
> > > Carancas meteorite fall.
> > >
> >
>
http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/INGEMMET_large.gif
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On another note, Randall Gregory is back to his
> > old
> > > tricks, threatening me and my family. I am about
> > to
> > > take serious action if it continues. It seems
> that
> > > my
> > > sales are driving him to insanity. He now thinks
> > > that
> > > he is working with the Peruvian government.
> > > I think he needs serious help, the delusions
> are
> > > getting worse by the day.
> > > Anyone who wants to read some of the nuttier
> > emails
> > > can let me know, I will forward them.
> > > Michael Farmer
> > > ______________________________________________
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> > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >
> >
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> > >
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:54:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mali meteorite:
> racism, to begin
> To: Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com>,
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <587475.88934.qm at web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> WOW, you must be off your meds.
> Art, I get censored, so this language is not
> permitted
> on the list. This is a sick email.
> This guy hates everyone and everything who does not
> subscribe to his ideas of leaving every rock where
> it
> lands and thinks that every purchase is a theft.
> Anyone know who he is?
> Michael Farmer
> --- Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Every time our friends from the"dark continent"
> have
> > something that you may potentially let go of your
> > rent
> > for, you doubt it. It's always a scam. I read
> about
> > good old boys here on the list ripping you off
> (how
> > COULD they!), and it's as if the phrase "they're
> all
> > the same" is the first thing that pops up, though
> > not
> > in so many words. It took a white man to convince
> > you.
> > How fucking typical.
> >
> > Go collect state quarters and get your fingers out
> > of
> > your mouths!
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:57:56 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Great picture that
> summarizes Peru's
> scientific minds.
> To: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <337750.37172.qm at web62515.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I find it offensive that you used an example of
> splitting rocks as some sort of disparaging display
> of
> humor. Rock splitting is incredibly difficult if
> you
> do it to any design at all, which explins the great
> abundance of waste flake material at prehistoric
> archaeological sites. It took a great deal of trial
> and error to perfect any design in stone. We take
> our
> technologies for granted, but when do we ever try
> for
> ourselves? You stated that your friend "made this
> up."
> That was ehere I began. It's like every powerful
> post-Roman European political body claiming to be
> Rome, e.g. The third Reich.
> -Thaddeus
> --- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyone else on this list tired of being called
> > thieves
> > and pirates? Because 50% of the people on this
> list
> > happily bought pieces, as well as many scientists.
>
> > Thaddeus, this is getting old. Barbarism is war,
> and
> > terrorism, I hardly think collecting rocks, and
> > saving
> > them from destruction qualifies. I am sick of
> being
> > called names by you.
> > Michael Farmer
> > Any help here, or are the other list members going
> > to
> > just let his drivel continue?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Your friend just ripped off someone else, with
> > much
> > > more talent than either of you drunken
> cokeheads.
> > > How
> > > is that sort of theft not "barbaric?" You need
> to
> > > stop
> > > waving the word "Peruvians" or "Peru's" around
> as
> > if
> > > they are one big collective awareness. You have
> no
> > > idea what science is, and what it is not. Let
> the
> > > rock
> > > oxidize. Why not? then we can study
> > > terrestrialization
> > > in a highland environment. Sampling is what
> > science
> > > must do, thanks to greedy traffickers who profit
> > > without benefiting the institutions that make it
> > > possible to profit immensely. If you donated 10%
> > of
> > > your profit to one institution to pay for
> analysis
> > > of
> > > a greater proportion of samples, then we can
> talk
> > > science.
> > > --- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > A friend of mine made this up tonight, it
> shows
> > > the
> > > > mentality of Peru's scientists with regard to
> > the
> > > > Carancas meteorite fall.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/INGEMMET_large.gif
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On another note, Randall Gregory is back to
> his
> > > old
> > > > tricks, threatening me and my family. I am
> about
> > > to
> > > > take serious action if it continues. It seems
> > that
> > > > my
> > > > sales are driving him to insanity. He now
> thinks
> > > > that
> > > > he is working with the Peruvian government.
> > > > I think he needs serious help, the delusions
> > are
> > > > getting worse by the day.
> > > > Anyone who wants to read some of the nuttier
> > > emails
> > > > can let me know, I will forward them.
> > > > Michael Farmer
> > > > ______________________________________________
> > > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > >
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:58:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Great picture that
> summarizes Peru's
> scientific minds.
> To: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <484083.25598.qm at web62504.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I find it offensive that you used an example of
> splitting rocks as some sort of disparaging display
> of
> humor. Rock splitting is incredibly difficult if
> you
> do it to any design at all, which explins the great
> abundance of waste flake material at prehistoric
> archaeological sites. It took a great deal of trial
> and error to perfect any design in stone. We take
> our
> technologies for granted, but when do we ever try
> for
> ourselves? You stated that your friend "made this
> up."
> That was ehere I began. It's like every powerful
> post-Roman European political body claiming to be
> Rome, e.g. The third Reich.
> -Thaddeus
> --- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyone else on this list tired of being called
> > thieves
> > and pirates? Because 50% of the people on this
> list
> > happily bought pieces, as well as many scientists.
>
> > Thaddeus, this is getting old. Barbarism is war,
> and
> > terrorism, I hardly think collecting rocks, and
> > saving
> > them from destruction qualifies. I am sick of
> being
> > called names by you.
> > Michael Farmer
> > Any help here, or are the other list members going
> > to
> > just let his drivel continue?
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Your friend just ripped off someone else, with
> > much
> > > more talent than either of you drunken
> cokeheads.
> > > How
> > > is that sort of theft not "barbaric?" You need
> to
> > > stop
> > > waving the word "Peruvians" or "Peru's" around
> as
> > if
> > > they are one big collective awareness. You have
> no
> > > idea what science is, and what it is not. Let
> the
> > > rock
> > > oxidize. Why not? then we can study
> > > terrestrialization
> > > in a highland environment. Sampling is what
> > science
> > > must do, thanks to greedy traffickers who profit
> > > without benefiting the institutions that make it
> > > possible to profit immensely. If you donated 10%
> > of
> > > your profit to one institution to pay for
> analysis
> > > of
> > > a greater proportion of samples, then we can
> talk
> > > science.
> > > --- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > A friend of mine made this up tonight, it
> shows
> > > the
> > > > mentality of Peru's scientists with regard to
> > the
> > > > Carancas meteorite fall.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/INGEMMET_large.gif
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On another note, Randall Gregory is back to
> his
> > > old
> > > > tricks, threatening me and my family. I am
> about
> > > to
> > > > take serious action if it continues. It seems
> > that
> > > > my
> > > > sales are driving him to insanity. He now
> thinks
> > > > that
> > > > he is working with the Peruvian government.
> > > > I think he needs serious help, the delusions
> > are
> > > > getting worse by the day.
> > > > Anyone who wants to read some of the nuttier
> > > emails
> > > > can let me know, I will forward them.
> > > > Michael Farmer
> > > > ______________________________________________
> > > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:01:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Great picture that
> summarizes Peru's
> scientific minds.
> To: Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <33218.35253.qm at web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> WOW, it was a cartoon. I see it as perfect, showing
> Peru's scientists as being confused about the need
> to
> preserve their one and only meteorite fall from
> disentigrating. The Third Reich never really entered
> my mind.
> You have some serious issues, please deal with
> them.Michael Farmer
>
> --- Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I find it offensive that you used an example of
> > splitting rocks as some sort of disparaging
> display
> > of
> > humor. Rock splitting is incredibly difficult if
> > you
> > do it to any design at all, which explins the
> great
> > abundance of waste flake material at prehistoric
> > archaeological sites. It took a great deal of
> trial
> > and error to perfect any design in stone. We take
> > our
> > technologies for granted, but when do we ever try
> > for
> > ourselves? You stated that your friend "made this
> > up."
> > That was ehere I began. It's like every powerful
> > post-Roman European political body claiming to be
> > Rome, e.g. The third Reich.
> > -Thaddeus
> > --- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone else on this list tired of being called
> > > thieves
> > > and pirates? Because 50% of the people on this
> > list
> > > happily bought pieces, as well as many
> scientists.
> >
> > > Thaddeus, this is getting old. Barbarism is war,
> > and
> > > terrorism, I hardly think collecting rocks, and
> > > saving
> > > them from destruction qualifies. I am sick of
> > being
> > > called names by you.
> > > Michael Farmer
> > > Any help here, or are the other list members
> going
> > > to
> > > just let his drivel continue?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Your friend just ripped off someone else, with
> > > much
> > > > more talent than either of you drunken
> > cokeheads.
> > > > How
> > > > is that sort of theft not "barbaric?" You need
> > to
> > > > stop
> > > > waving the word "Peruvians" or "Peru's" around
> > as
> > > if
> > > > they are one big collective awareness. You
> have
> > no
> > > > idea what science is, and what it is not. Let
> > the
> > > > rock
> > > > oxidize. Why not? then we can study
> > > > terrestrialization
> > > > in a highland environment. Sampling is what
> > > science
> > > > must do, thanks to greedy traffickers who
> profit
> > > > without benefiting the institutions that make
> it
> > > > possible to profit immensely. If you donated
> 10%
> > > of
> > > > your profit to one institution to pay for
> > analysis
> > > > of
> > > > a greater proportion of samples, then we can
> > talk
> > > > science.
> > > > --- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > A friend of mine made this up tonight, it
> > shows
> > > > the
> > > > > mentality of Peru's scientists with regard
> to
> > > the
> > > > > Carancas meteorite fall.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/INGEMMET_large.gif
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On another note, Randall Gregory is back to
> > his
> > > > old
> > > > > tricks, threatening me and my family. I am
> > about
> > > > to
> > > > > take serious action if it continues. It
> seems
> > > that
> > > > > my
> > > > > sales are driving him to insanity. He now
> > thinks
> > > > > that
> > > > > he is working with the Peruvian government.
> > > > > I think he needs serious help, the
> delusions
> > > are
> > > > > getting worse by the day.
> > > > > Anyone who wants to read some of the nuttier
> > > > emails
> > > > > can let me know, I will forward them.
> > > > > Michael Farmer
> > > > >
> ______________________________________________
> > > > > Meteorite-list mailing list
> > > > > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > >
> > > >
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