[meteorite-list] Erwin Rivera Carancas Recognition -Suggestion for Mike "Tiger Man" Farmer

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 22:56:20 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <683564.82052.qm_at_web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Get a grip Keven,
you have no clue about what I did, or where I came
from.
Michael Farmer
I asked why a guy who is selling rocks on ebay is also
giving them away for free. Valid question.
Michael Farmer
It is always, something, always some reason to condemn
those of us who do it. We didnt pay enough, we didnt
suffer enough, we make too much money etc etc etc. I
guess the money I gave them can not compete with your
$1.25 hour gardener. You admit that you pay the local
rate, so how is my paying half a years wage for a rock
somehow ripping the people off?
Your math is off by a lot my friend. But regardless, I
need not answer to you. Because of me, rocks are now
in labs all over the USA, Canada, and Japan, or on
their way to those destinations at least. We went
there, we got the job done, and finally people can
have pieces in their hands. I have no problem at all
with the Bolivian dealer, why would I? I meerly wanted
to know why free pieces would be shipped from South
America, where money is much harder to come by.
Have a nice night Keven, forget about meteorites. You
are out of the game for a lot of years now.
Michael Farmer
--- Kevin Kichinka <marsrox at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hola don Michael:
>
> re: The Peru meteorite.
>
> My patience with your "impact" on the hobby I love
> has ended. I regret
> that I am making these public remarks, lets call it
> a "family
> discussion", but as the present "face of the hobby"
> you are
> jeopardizing the kind and gentle nature of
> collecting meteorites. I
> don't understand why this is being tolerated by
> others, but I do not
> accept your actions as representative of this
> pasttime.
>
> You wrote:
>
> "Good luck getting your pieces from Bolivia. I give
> a 1 in 10 chance
> for a package to arrive unpilfered."
>
> But a free package of the Peru meteorite from a
> Cochabamba mineral
> dealer arrives safely to a client in the USA.
>
> Then you wonder:
>
> "I am confused, he sends free meteorites and photos,
> in
> the mail, from Bolivia?
> Why? What is the catch? Why is he throwing money
> away?
> Michael Farmer"
>
> I suppose that it is because for some people,
> reputation or generosity
> is more important than pursuing fame and money. This
> dealer actually
> just changed his website to defend his honor. Why?
> Were there so many
> people commenting on this individuals poor business
> practices, or was
> it just you, Mike Farmer, on the m-list alluding to
> a negative outcome
> to anyone who would send money to a Bolivian dealer?
>
> Aren't you the one who always claims untoward
> remarks are slander?
>
> Because of your Peruvian visit, arguably an
> "attractive nuisance" in
> legal terms as you arrived passing out US dollars
> for "dangerous"
> rocks in a place with a per capita income less than
> Haiti, the bulk of
> the police force of the area is now out of work, and
> the locals
> without whatever degree of protection they
> previously enjoyed. The
> crater is being guarded 24 hours a day to protect it
> from the likes of
> you.
>
> Of course, Desaguaderos is a "craphole, the
> definition that would come
> up first."
>
> The scientists involved? "The people from the
> University of Peru are clueless."
>
> Are you campaigning to become the next
> "anti-Christ"? You have my vote.
>
> You write:
>
> "The meteorite in the crater weighs in excess of
> 4,000 to 5,000 kilos."
>
> You write:
>
> ".... taken by locals mostly crumbs and dust, we got
> nice pieces, all
> pristine, not rusted crap."
>
> You write:
>
> ".... meteorite is mostly lost/rusted away...."
>
> You write:
>
> "... twenty to thirty kilos were found by tourists
> and locals"
>
> You write:
>
> "Forget it, this meteorite will be lost, is already
> three weeks under water as of today, is being
> damaged
> beyond repair.
> There are a few kilos recovered. Whatever is now
> left
> in the crater will be mud, or extremely
> damaged/weathered material.
> We are selling by the way.... Michael Farmer"
>
> So according to you, there are 4,000 to 5,000 kilos
> in the ground and
> perhaps thirty kilos recovered.But it is all "crumbs
> and dust", "lost
> and rusty".
>
> ATTENTION SHOPPERS! Only Tiger Man can sell you, "by
> the way",
> authenticated pristine specimens.
>
> And this dialogue runs to forty-eight (48) messages
> in nine days.
>
> And some thought Steve (Chicago) abused the list.
>
> Mike, your cost for the 300 grams you say you
> collected was $1,000
> according to you. Your RT plane ticket from Cali,
> Columbia was less
> than $600 as per Expedia.com, your hotel room
> $4/night ("We
> overpaid.."), taxi from the border was $40. "Gifts"
> to the police was
> $300 ($100 each). Food and beer is almost nothing.
> Your estimated cost
> per gram is about $7.
>
> Let me not forget the price you paid for the rights
> to the photo of
> the meteorite contrail, "I gave him enough to buy a
> new camera and
> take 1000 photos."
>
> So we're at $7.25/gm.
>
> You are selling this for $100/gm, right? 300gms.
> times $100 =
> $30,000. Is your profit about $28,000 for less than
> a weeks "work"? So
> you expect a $28K profit AND a vacation tax
> write-off of $2K?
>
> You go, capitalism!
>
> You write:
>
> "Come on, these people are poor, the country had an
> earthquake that left tens of thousands homeless
> barely
> two months ago.
> It is simple, we pumped the water from the crater.
> It
> worked OK, of course will immediately begins to
> refill. You need 10 men with buckets and shovels,
> nothing more. You dig, you pump, you dig, you pump
> and
> in one or two days, the entire crater can be
> excavated.
> No equipment needed other than pumps and manpower,
> which we had."
>
> So you have a plan. Good. I propose that the
> meteorite is NOT "rusty
> crap". The water it sits in is from a spring and is
> fresh.
>
> I remind all that Pena Blanca Springs sat in a pond
> until it was
> drained and the pieces dug out of the mud. No less
> than the the
> angrite Angra dos Reis was retrieved from the
> Atlantic Ocean.
>
> Mike, a gesture, call it penance, really the least
> you could do, would
> be to return to Peru and pay the couple of thousand
> bucks in that
> fifty cent economy and dig up the rock.
>
> After all, it was money sent to YOU directly from
> Heaven, so do
> something once to pretend to be an Angel, not a
> Tiger.
>
> >From Nine Degrees North,
>
> Kevin Kichinka
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Received on Wed 10 Oct 2007 01:56:20 AM PDT