[meteorite-list] FW: Dr. Richard Daniels is a pseudonym for RandallGregory, my way of not asking peo

From: Pete Pete <rsvp321_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:53:00 -0400
Message-ID: <BAY141-W268A64FA323C1059C32C53F8AF0_at_phx.gbl>

> From: rsvp321 at hotmail.com
> To: randall_gregory at yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Dr. Richard Daniels is a pseudonym for RandallGregory, my way of not asking peo
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:48:00 -0400
>
>
> Dear Randall,
>
> You were asking the List what they thought these stones were worth, and also asked opinions of what they might fetch on eBay.
> If you don't recall, check the archives.
>
> This was after you acquired samples.
> These weren't simply curious questions - the motive was obvious and undeniable.
>
> I have to say that your posing as "Dr Richard Daniels", and in at least one post you made as him you had the audacity to refer to "Randall Gregory" (yourself!) in a positive light! This leads me to believe that you are of low ethics, and have no respect for other members of the List.
>
> Another List member asked you for specific details of your "Doctor" title.
>
> Will you answer him?
>
> Until you do, I will have to consider you as a fraud without any credibility.
>
> Sincerely,
> Pete
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:06:19 -0700
> From: randall_gregory at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dr. Richard Daniels is a pseudonym for RandallGregory, my way of not asking peo
> To: rsvp321 at hotmail.com
>
> Pete, (post please)
>
> Where is this ebay auction you're talking about? I still have all the stones in my possession and haven't made a single dime. I'm in the process of donating them to scientific institutions. I'll see what I have left when I'm done.
>
> Randall
>
> Pete Pete wrote:
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> My sentiments, exactly, Martin!
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>
> Pete
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>
>> From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:24:33 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dr. Richard Daniels is a pseudonym for RandallGregory, my way of not asking people to post for me
>>
>> Mr. Randall,
>>
>> I think I'm not the only one on that list here, who has the feeling, that
>> your posts are highly inconsistent.
>>
>> First we could read from you, that you're not sure about, that there is a
>> main mass some down below in the soil at all and that the crater/pit should
>> be preserved.
>> We read, that the poor locals should profit from the finds made there, that
>> all fragments collected and sold by locals without agreement of the land
>> owner are stolen goods and how immoral it is to sell such goods on ebay.
>> And that the best solution would be, that the meteorites and the crater
>> would be property of the Peruvian state as national treasure + that the
>> Peruvian scientists would be experienced enough to handle the case.
>>
>> In the same mails and later we read, that you not only have bought some
>> material at a not directly generous price, but that you bought it from the
>> local authorities, who had confiscated the material from people, who
>> collected it illegally (according your own words).
>> To give money to authorities to obtain secured material - hence either
>> property of state or in custody of the state is a simple act of corruption.
>>
>> And contradicting your own moral standards you started immediately to fence
>> those stones via ebay and to dealers like Matteo.
>>
>> After on the list was discussed, that there is a probability that the main
>> mass could exist below the crater and Farmer/Karl/Ward travelled to the
>> site, you showed an immediate eagerness to lead an initiative to excavate
>> it.
>>
>> Now, when they entered the scene offering the locals - remember your own
>> mails, who are poor and should profit from that situation - a much higher
>> and adequate price for the material, which they collected than you did with
>> your (seen from the collectors point of view) ridiculous price,
>> you seem not to be delighted.
>>
>> And furthermore you condemn, that they sensitized the population about the
>> importance of that case, in giving them a more adequate imagination that the
>> possible main mass is more important than the crater and that it has a high
>> value, which lead to the exact result, which you always wanted from the
>> beginning on, but which you weren't able to accomplish,
>> that the importance and the basic necessity to act was finally recognized on
>> a national level. Instead to be happy about that, and also that the area is
>> now protected by police from further "looting", you call it now an
>> "irreparable damage".
>>
>> And with all respect, the questions about meteorites, you posed here on the
>> list, give not directly an impression, that you're an expert in meteoritics,
>> neither do I see, why you should be entitled for the " all your work at
>> preservation" and not rather the Peruvian scientists, who - at least you
>> expressed it so in one of your early mails - are in your opinion
>> sufficiently trained to investigate that fall.
>>
>> So even if we let that strange issues from the private mails Farmer
>> published here aside,
>> the observer will see a remarkable bigotry in your emails and will most
>> probably come to the conclusion, that your motivation isn't morale but
>> profane greed.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Martin
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Dr.
>> Richard Daniels
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Oktober 2007 11:46
>> An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Dr. Richard Daniels is a pseudonym for
>> RandallGregory, my way of not asking people to post for me
>>
>> XXX,
>>
>> This is critical, I'll try to post but if it doesn't make it could you
>> send it to someone that will post. I know you want to stay out of the
>> middle.
>>
>> I reviewed the report sent in by Mr. Farmer today and then I asked my
>> Peruvian wife to her to call my friends in Desaguadero to find out
>> what the situation is. I read Mike's field report and he had mentioned
>> that they started to pump out the water in the crater and I was
>> curious to know if they found the meteorite.
>>
>> This is the story as my wife is relating to me after she talked to my
>> friend. Major Victor Anaya Barrientos of the Peruvian National Police
>> located in the town of Desaguadero.
>>
>> Apparently, Mike and his associated went to the town of Desaguadero
>> and used their method of posting flyers and soliciting citizens to
>> sell them meteorites.They told people that the meteorite pieces were
>> very very valuable and they would pay good money for any samples. I
>> guess they made offers on a per gram basis that sent these people into
>> a frenzy. They never went to the municipality and asked for any kind
>> of permission. And they never made any contacts with scientists or
>> researchers in Peru. Local citizens swarmed to the site to look for
>> pieces and almost caused a riot. Apparently, the Spanish speaking
>> person with Mike told the people of the community that there was a big
>> meteorite in the hole and it was worth alot of money. This is the
>> equivalent of starting a revolution. The people gathered at the
>> municipality demanding that the government extract the meteorite. The
>> mayor of the city complied under duress, and started to pump out the
>> water. Meanwhile, news of this revolution went from the local to the
>> national level.
>>
>> Local people were upset as they expected the city to find this million
>> dollar meteorite that Mike and his friends told them. This caused so
>> many problems with the municipality that the Minister of Interior at
>> the national level has issued an order to close the site declaring
>> that the site government property. The site now has a 24 hour police
>> guard and everyone is forbidden from entering the site. Mike never
>> realized the consequences of his actions. The reason he and his
>> friends were harassed was the police believed that they were
>> "trafficantes" or traffickers. The police were entirely correct in
>> their assessment, and gave a message to Mike that they wanted him and
>> his friends to leave.
>>
>> The damage he caused might be irreparable. I intend on visiting the
>> site in a short time to see what the situation is and report back to
>> the list. I will try to work with my colleagues in Peru and Bolivia,
>> the Universities to organize an effort to extract the meteorite as a
>> National Treasure for the people of Peru. I believe this meteorite can
>> be still be saved and the crater preserved. But now that the national
>> government is involved, all my work at preservation might have been in
>> vain.
>>
>> Right now, I am furious with Mike and his actions. No respect for
>> people. I am also deeply offended when he called the Mayor and other
>> Peruvian scientists stupid. Here is a man with a high school education
>> calling college educated professionals stupid. He called Desaguadero
>> a "craphole". Yes, it is a very poor city high in the Andes and is no
>> way plush as the area of Tuscon he lives in. He went in with his
>> greedy little plan and hurt alot of people, while never trying to
>> understand the culture or the people. Just criticism and a ton of
>> negativity toward everything. The Peruvians are good, decent,
>> hard-working, and religious people and I happy and proud to be
>> associated with them. Besides the damage he caused in Desaguadero, I
>> believe he tarnished the image of meteoritic community.
>>
>> It really makes me think, What is the definition of a "professional"
>> meteorite hunter?
>>
>> I take responsibility for everything I say in this post and I am
>> expecting criticism. After I read Mike's field report, I sent him an
>> e-mail. I won't post it to the list, but it is available to anyone
>> that wants to read it.
>>
>> I am now appealing to the meteoritic community of scientists to help
>> me at a national level so our government can contact and assist the
>> government of Peru in extracting this meteorite. Every meteorite has
>> the potiential to harbor organic compounds or fossilized remains and
>> should be studied. Give me leads or referrals is all I ask.
>>
>>
>> Randall
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