[meteorite-list] Leigh Anne DelRay

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:35:17 -0800
Message-ID: <93aaac890711131335n2f33d32evfe0939fa19346c24_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hello Bob, All,
Bob Evans felt attacked by my email that pertained to *his* auction of
the Photographic Catalogue of Antarctic Meteorites, which received a
bid of $999.99 in the closing seconds of bidding.
I would like to make it clear to everyone that I do not accuse him,
nor the bidder (pas520, whoever he or she might be), of shill bidding,
but wished to use the example solely as one of an auction that looked
odd, but which was due entirely to luck/bad bidding strategy on the
part of another bidder.
Bob took this as a slight at himself, and I would like to make it
clear that I was not accusing him of anything fraudulent with that
statement.
Regards,
Jason


On Nov 11, 2007 10:39 PM, Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bill, All,
>
> I just checked the thread: the claims against Leigh-Anne were
> unsubstantiated, and, seeing as she is a well-regarded member of this
> community (by most), I would suggest that list members not spread
> about such rubbish unless they have evidence to back it up. Saying
> that there was an odd bidding history on one item means nothing when
> put next to the subsequent years that she's spent amongst us,
> especially when there was no real evidence supporting the fact that
> she actually did shill it.
>
> People mess around on ebay - take, for example, the Photographic
> Catalogue of Antarctic Meteorites that recently sold on ebay. A few
> seconds before the end, a bidder put in $999.99. That's perfect
> shilling strategy (say the other high bidder puts in $1000, even,
> they'll be forced to pay the maximum amount), and yet, no one either
> noticed nor cared. Some people just don't think through what they're
> doing or understand ebay when they're placing bids. That's just the
> way it goes.
> I've seen many a crazier thing on ebay - take, for example, the
> occasional NWA that goes for $1/g. Going market price for average
> NWA's is between four and five cents per gram - ~1/20 of the amount.
> Some people just happen to surf ebay and come across a piece of space,
> something that they never thought that they could own before, and they
> decide that they want it. Some of them happen to be...not so smart
> when it comes to bidding.
>
> The general consensus at the time (three years ago) was that Bill was
> wrong in his accusation, and yet he continued to try to sully
> Leigh-Anne's name even after this was decided.
> I see no reason to try to convince Bill that he's wrong; after three
> years of remaining fixed on this, I don't think I'm going to be able
> to change his viewpoint, but the least I can say, Bill, is this:
> Even if you did think that someone - anyone - had done such a thing,
> it was $350 - and it was three years ago. Get over it. You have no
> right to post such ridiculous and unsubstantiated libel on here (never
> mind three years later, after the issue has been resolved), especially
> when something as horrible as this comes up.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2007 9:10 PM, xxx wrote:
> > On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:54:26 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> > >Hello Bill, All,
> > >I'm confused, Bill. I asked you for any evidence of this, and you
> > >failed to respond, but did choose to reply to another message on the
> > >same thread a few minutes later.
> >
> > This rang a bell for me, so I looked it up. There was a thread on this back in
> > mid-January 2005, under the subject "Talk about a good idea". Check the
> > archives if you want a refresher.
> >
>
Received on Tue 13 Nov 2007 04:35:17 PM PST