[meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?

From: Joe <kerchner420_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:29:04 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <415563.58187.qm_at_web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Trace,
     A good place to see meteorwrongs is at my meteorwrong gallery here is a link incase you have not seen it yet.
I hope this helps you out a little. Good Luck and welcome to the hobby and list.


http://illinoismeteorites.com/meteorwrongs.htm



Happy Hunting,

Joe Kerchner

http://illinoismeteorites.com



----- Original Message ----

From: Trace <temetnosce at shaw.ca>

To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:37:52 PM

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?



As a novice I would like to say that I appreciate it when people point out

fraudulent ebay listings. It gives me a chance to see more meteor wrongs so

that I will be better informed when I make my purchases.



I may not buy $6000 items but the pictures are worth more than that to me.



Trace





----- Original Message -----

From: "Bill" <glixard at inbox.com>

To: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>

Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:20 PM

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?





> This is just another old beat up issue.

>

> Lurking novices don't buy 6,000 dollar unknowns. They buy worthless micros

> from guess who.

>

> Many have been chastised for bothering the list with obvious ebay

> scammers.

>

> No attack was made. An opinion was expressed in a fact of the matter way.

>

> Met-list is not a podium for a selected few. The so called innocent

> lurkers that need to be saved should hear all points of view and the best

> thing that we could ever have here would be a greater participation by

> everyone.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: meteoritekid at gmail.com

>> Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:11:02 -0700

>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com

>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?

>>

>> Hello Ken, Bill, Mark, All,

>>

>> Ken's message just informed 600+ people that there was a fraudulent

>> seller on ebay.

>>

>> Ben's post told 600+ people that *he* was fed up with reading other

>> peoples' posts about fraudulent sellers.

>>

>> This is one of those cases where I would have to say that, without a

>> doubt, Ken had every right to post his message, and you had no right

>> to tell him off, Bill.

>> Even if you don't care to read posts about suspicious/fraudulent

>> sellers, posts such as Ken's obey all list rules, and perform a

>> service to novices who may be lurking on the list (or scanning list

>> archives on google), hoping to find information on what and what not

>> to buy.

>>

>> If you don't like reading them, delete them, and if you get fed up

>> with a single person's posts, by all means, block them or filter out

>> there posts through selective email scanning (most email services have

>> this sort of feature) - but don't post personal attacks to the list

>> like you just did, because posts such as that are actually in direct

>> violation of list policies.

>>

>> All talk must be meteorite-related and non-combative, at least with

>> regard to pointed statements such as "Are you bored to death?"

>>

>> It's simply uncalled for. If you don't like posts such as this, and

>> feel a need to respond, please do so privately (and, I hope, politely

>> in the future).

>>

>> Bill, the person you mentioned in your message, Matteo, came onto the

>> list while I was here and has come and gone a few times since then.

>> He was blocked a few times for posting private messages to the list

>> and using...inappropriate language.

>> People may have gotten onto his case for posting ebay warnings, but I

>> believe that they actually did so because of his warnings pertaining

>> to the classic 'Nigerian scam' postings that everyone seems to get

>> (They're so easy to recognize in general, that people get annoyed when

>> warned of such things.)

>> ...That, and he's an easy target - people on this list seem to get

>> into a frenzy when someone who's not too eloquent or perhaps not a

>> native English speaker comes on and posts...it's sad, but even true

>> meteorite enthusiasts with good intentions get beaten up on here; it's

>> just a fact that hasn't changed in, well, the nine years I've been on

>> here.

>>

>> Sorry this goes out to the list, but I do think it has something to do

>> with list policy in general - perhaps attacks could become a little

>> less...prolific.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Jason

>>

>>

>>

>> On 5/15/07, Bill <glixard at inbox.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> Hi Mark,

>>>

>>> This list is for everyone. I don't comment all that often. When I do

>>> it's

>>> for a good reason. Ken knows what I'm getting at. All the points you

>>> made

>>> are accurate. I think the mix of personalities here makes for an

>>> interesting

>>> forum. I hope I didn't offend you but if I did, change things.

>>>

>>> Incapable of grandstanding,

>>>

>>> Bill

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: mark at annasach.net

>>> Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:37:48 +0100

>>> To: glixard at inbox.com

>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?

>>>

>>>

>>> Hey Bill,

>>>

>>> What is it with some of the people on this distribution? According to

>>> the

>>> met-list About, this is...

>>>

>>> "...with over 600 members, the best place to get information on rocks

>>> from

>>> space!"

>>>

>>> I'm old on astronomy, and newish on meteorites. I joined thinking I'd

>>> "get

>>> information on rocks from space". As for Ken's post (I don't know the

>>> man)

>>> - it's useful to get a feel for the kind of scams that are around. I'm

>>> not

>>> stupid, but I can be misled.

>>>

>>> What's the primary purpose of this group, nowadays, in reality? Is it

>>> for

>>> dealers? Mainly dealers, with collector/lurkers hoping to get an inside

>>> tip? Or just a place for the Old Boys to ignore or beat up the new

>>> guys?

>>> As a new member, I can honestly say that it's certainly not an open and

>>> welcoming community. Most hobbies try to encourage beginners -

>>> proponents

>>> want to share their knowledge, wonder and passion about their interests.

>>> This kind of BS can only serve to put people off the whole hobby.

>>>

>>> So I guess I'll be flamed for this - off-list is fine, but I suppose

>>> there's

>>> more grandstanding to be done by posting on-list. :-\

>>>

>>> Mark

>>>

>>> Bill wrote:

>>> Hi Ken,

>>

>> Are you bored to death? I am. A lot of list members have been

>>> reamed out for posting these ebay warnings. Matteo comes to mind.

>>

>> Please

>>> stop. If we want your opinion we'll join the imca and view it on your

>>> invaluable website/s

>>

>> Bill

>>

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