[meteorite-list] "Rosetta" in Ensisheim

From: Zelimir Gabelica <Zelimir.Gabelica_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:28:18 +0200
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20070604212749.02a52838_at_pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi Dave, Adam, Peter, Norbert, Marcin, list

Discussing "Rosetta or not Rosetta" in 2 weeks from now in Ensisheim is
just a great sugestion, Dave!

I suggest Norbert brings the "best of the best" of his DHO 908
representatives.
I'll bring my own 2.86 g complete slice that I traded with Norbert in 2003
(80% brown, 20% black lithology). My mostly rewarded trade ever made, for
sure! And I note having added his nickname "Rosetta Stone" in my collection
catalog....

Dave, I am very glad to see you again this year among us!
Yes, a mini-beer party can by all means help such a discussion. Norbert
should bring his best "Rosetta" and all its backgrounds, I'll bring my
trade, Dave some ideas for debate.
Marcin ? You bring (Polish ?) beer !
I am sure Peter is willing to compete with some obscure Swiss "lager"....
But never mind, I'll offer the first "Meteor" round!
Would just be wonderful if Adam could make it this year !...

Tomorrow, I'll send the latest Ensisheim news.
Sorry for my recent silence (was again away for 8 days) but the great news
is that our poor old university server was finally disconnected forever and
thrown into the garbage can! With the new one (seems to work perfectly)
I'll be able to reply many of your recent messages, at least those that did
not follow the old server to the very same trash...

Zelimir

NB: I note that the tkw for Dho 908 was (in 2003) of 245.46 grams (9
stones). Is that still true Norbert ?



A 10:24 04/06/2007 -0700, Dave Schultz a ?crit :
> Sorry to intrude on your little discussion..., but
>me thinks that this topic should be discussed properly
>over a few beers in Ensisheim, although that might
>lead to more discussions! :)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> > ...sorry, should be DHOFAR 908, not NWA!
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> > Peter Marmet wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Norbert, Adam, Marcin and All,
> > >
> > > it seems I didn't make myself very clear. I have
> > absolutely nothing
> > > against the term:
> > > This one is kind of a Rosetta Stone for this and
> > this...or some
> > > sort of a Missing Link...or some
> > > kind of a Smoking Gun for...but what makes me feel
> > similar as
> > > Marcin, was the following:
> > >
> > > The finders sold their NWA 908 for years under the
> > name NWA
> > > 908...suddenly NWA 908 is THE(!) Rosetta Stone
> > > which means THE ONE AND ONLY....
> > >
> > > ...ok, the main reason why I wrote this e-mail
> > > was to get more info about this rather special /
> > stunning /
> > > fantastic / one of it's kind lithology story!
> > > ... Adam wrote: that displays two (2) lithologies
> > > ...Norbert wrote: displaying three (3) distinct
> > lithologies
> > >
> > > Very interested to hear more about this unique
> > meteorite...
> > > not very keen to hear more about what names are
> > legal / honest /
> > > ethical and
> > > which are not...sorry, if I started this debate!
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Norbert Classen wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Dear Marcin,
> > >>
> > >> I didn't use that term for marketing reasons, and
> > it is not a
> > >> synonym for
> > >> Dhofar 908 in general but I just used it for the
> > 81g main mass of
> > >> Dhofar
> > >> 908, displaying three distinct lithologies
> > linking previous finds
> > >> together.
> > >> That's why I called it a Rosetta stone. Back in
> > 2003 virtually
> > >> nobody was
> > >> willing to believe that e.g. Dhofar 489, and
> > Dhofar 305 did belong
> > >> to one
> > >> and the same (ancient) fall. That's not the same
> > thing as calling
> > >> it "Donald
> > >> Duck", it's a linguistic ploy to express
> > something of scientific
> > >> meaning...
> > >> Do you think Baker and Bizzaro used their analogy
> > as a marketing
> > >> ploy, or
> > >> just because the liked the funny name?
> > >>
> > >> BTW, as to my knowledge neither Adam nor I did
> > use the Rosetta
> > >> stone analogy
> > >> without making it very clear that we were talking
> > about Dhofar
> > >> 908, not in
> > >> general, but in respect to a certain
> > stone/fragment of Dhofar 908,
> > >> and its
> > >> special history/properties.
> > >>
> > >> And, as for the monetary "value" of certain
> > specimens: do you
> > >> think that a
> > >> specimen of, let's say normal Zagami will demand
> > the same resale
> > >> price as a
> > >> specimen with dual lithologies, including the DML
> > (dark mottled
> > >> lithology)
> > >> of Zagami? You are correct, the "meteorite will
> > stay the same",
> > >> but I fear
> > >> you won't get the latter one, cheap. And: if you
> > know of a source
> > >> who sells
> > >> dual-lith Zagami at the price of normal Zagami,
> > just give me a
> > >> call :-)
> > >>
> > >> My 3 lithologies,
> > >> Norbert
> > >>
> > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > >> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> > >>
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]
> > Im Auftrag von
> > >> PolandMET
> > >> Gesendet: Montag, 4. Juni 2007 00:01
> > >> An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > >> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rosetta Stone
> > Analogy
> > >>
> > >> Dear list members.
> > >> Every meteorite is special.
> > >>
> > >> For me is better to call meteorite with his
> > official name even if
> > >> this is
> > >> ugly NWA 9999999 name, than create some unreal
> > "marketing" names
> > >> that have
> > >> nothing to do with meteorites. I see only one
> > reason for this,
> > >> better sales
> > >> becouse of better name. If we call it Rosetta
> > Stone, Louis
> > >> Michelle or
> > >> Donald Duck or Shrek, meteorite will stay the
> > same and not become
> > >> more
> > >> importand or rare.
> > >>
> > >> Thats my two CH3nt's
> > >>
> > >> -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
> > >> http://www.Meteoryt.net
> > marcin at meteoryt.net
> > >> http://www.PolandMET.com
> > marcin at polandmet.com
> > >> http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535
> > 195
> > >> --------[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society
> > ]--------
> > >>
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Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
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