[meteorite-list] a few other auction surprises

From: Eric Twelker <twelker_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:00:03 -0900
Message-ID: <C1F0CF53.2CC81%twelker_at_alaska.net>

Hi List

    Thank you Mike for posting the prices. Zelimir's response highlights
the reason why this information should be public. Absentee bidders and
absentee sellers are at the mercy of the auctioneer and if the auctioneer is
not honest--or made an honest mistake--then the absentee parties can't know.
I don't agree with Greg that "everyone knows" prices. I am an absentee
seller in the Blood auction and I don't have a clue what happened. I trust
Michael, so I am not worried--but there is more.

    There is a business reason that runs to the advantage of the auctioneer
to keep the prices secret. If consigners don't realize that items sell for
a fraction of normal prices, then they will be more likely to consign items
to the next auction. If they think they will get very little, they won't.

    For the protection of buyers and sellers, the prices should be posted.

    Eric Twelker


> Hi Mike, list,
>
> Mike's reported hammer prices will probably shed more shadow than light on
> that famous auction.
>
> While we are at trying to clear all points, here are some of my own
> amazements.
>
> I have put 11 absentee bids and four of them turned to be above the hammer
> prices. These are:
>
> Item hammer ($) my bid ($)
>
> 19 Gorlovka 160 (Achim) 210
> 35 Marilia 610 710
> 52 Quenggouk 180 260
> 60 Vernon Co 266 260
>
> 1) Shouldn't have I been the winner or .... ??? (badly missing something!)
>
> 2) For other 6 items, my bids were logically lower than hammers. This is OK
> (at least on my side)
>
> 3) But for the last item, here is the other surprise.
> Iris Lang sent me the same letter as to Peter, about item N? 29, Khohar.
> Here it is
>
> Dear Zelimir Gabelica,
> You won Lot # 29 Khohar for $495
> Allan will be home within a week. Please contact him by e-mail to make
> arrangment for payment. You can pay by check or credit card. Please add
> shipping and handling cost.
> Best regards
> Iris Lang
>
> Now Mike reports that this item was sold to Achim in room for $ 495 (which
> is exactly my bid).
> If Mike is corect, something really wrong here. Who is the winner ?
> I dare hoping that Mike mixed the two winers but his statement seems so
> strong. Any thoughts?
>
> Unless I missed many rules or facts (not excluded), things are far from
> being clear.
> Are there other cases ?
>
> Best,
>
> Zelimir
>
>
>
>
> A 09:55 08/02/2007 -0800, Michael Farmer a ?crit :
>> Mike and everyone else, I do not want to be in the
>> middle of this. I am running a business at the show. I
>> did Al and Achim a favor (I thought) by reporting
>> stolen pieces. I did not know the firestorm that would
>> follow. I have had at least 50 requests for prices
>> from 50 people, I don't have time to deal with these
>> emails, so by taking the last 30 minutes to posts the
>> hammer prices should release me from any more emails
>> to me. Others in the room can compare prices they
>> wrote down. the rest is between the interested parties
>> and the Langs.
>> Michael Farmer
>> This should end my involvement in the dispute I hope.
>> Perhaps next year, people could just come to my room,
>> and pay the fixed price listed, it would be less
>> painfull!
>>
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Mike Fowler <mqfowler at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Farmer,
>>>
>>> This so much really needed to be done. Thanks for
>>> stepping up to the
>>> plate, even though you may receive vocal criticism
>>> from some. I'm
>>> sure those that are appreciative will out number
>>> those who oppose by
>>> at least 10 to one, even if they aren't so vocal.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Mike Fowler
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mike Farmer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am going to make this as short as I can, I am
>>> still
>>>> selling in my room in Tucson.
>>>> I will list lot # Meteorite name and hammer sale
>>>> price.
>>>
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>
> Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> Universit? de Haute Alsace
> ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
> 3, Rue A. Werner,
> F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
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