[meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments

From: Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:33:28 -0600
Message-ID: <00bb01c83ef5$2b749770$b842e146_at_ATARIENGINE>

Hi,

    Yes, The connection between scrotal cancer in
chimney sweeps and the oily soot of their occupation
was first made by Percival Pott in 1775. The cause
was the accumulation of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons,
or PAH's in the crease of major joints. The same cancer
also broke out on the back of the neck from soot under
the collar and near or in the area of other major joints.
The soot absorbs and holds the PAH's, which in turn
make the soot oily, hence sticky and hard to wash off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percivall_Pott

    This was the second identification of an environmental
hazard as a cause of a cancer. The first was a few decades
earlier when cancers among Silesian miners were traced to
the arsenic in the lead ores they mined and refined. Arsenic
was removed at an earlier step in the refining and the cancer
incidence dropped dramatically. [I can't give you the name
of that doctor; Google has failed me here because of the
avalanche of hits on the role of arsenic in cancer which,
several centuries later, we are still arguing about for some
insane reason. Also, because Silesia is still struggling with
arsenic toxicity of soil, water and food, and because arsenic
has been discovered to kill some cancers while causing
others -- too darn many Google-hits.]

    At first, there was considerable alarm when it was discovered
that fullerenes are readily absorbed by but not eliminated from
the human body and that they favored certain organs. But many
trials with experimental animals dosed with fullerene-rich diets
have failed to show harm. In fact, the fullerenes disappear. A
recent discovery shows that when you remove carbon atoms,
one at a time, from a large fullerene, it collapses to the next
smallest fullerene, from C-76 to C-70 to C-60, but when you
remove one carbon from a C-60 -- poof! -- the fullerene just
vanishes. It seems you can't have a partial or broken fullerene;
the molecule wont stay stuck together without all 60 atoms
in place. This may mean that fullerenes are destroyed, rather
than eliminated, from the body. Evidence is hard to come by,
as they are too small to detect without an electron microscope!


Sterling K. Webb
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Sterling, List,

Well, soot HAS been a problem for some people. I believe the first
identified occupational cancer was scrotal cancer in young chimney sweeps.
Bucky Balls indeed!

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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Hi, Jerry, List,

> Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity
> of the emerging science related to buckeye balls ...

At first, it was claimed that buckeyballs could only be
formed in extreme conditions, such as are found in a
major impact. Then we discovered that they can be
formed at low temperatures and pressures by different
means (they're in candle soot). They can still be formed
in extremes, though. On Earth, they can be formed by
lightning and are found in the mineral shungite.

However, the finding of Helium-3 inside a Bucky Ball
is a different matter. Helium (all isotopes) is not exactly
common on Earth, and the terrestrial atmospheric ratio of
He-3 to He-4 is one atom of He-3 to 1,380,000 atoms
of He-4. In mantle rocks, the ratio is 200 parts of He-3
to a million parts of He-4, or one to 5000. The extraterrestrial
or cosmic abundances of He-3 to He-4 is much higher than
any terrestrial ratios. In lunar regolith, the ratio is one
to 2800.

So, if you find a detectable amount of He-3 in a Bucky
Ball, that Bucky Ball was likely made from materials from
off-planet, not local stuff. BB + He3 = Rocks From Space,
or ice from space, or dust from space, pick your catastrophe.
(In defense, supernova debris should be rotten with every
kind of buckeyballs...)

A fullerene is a trivalent convex polyhedron with pentagonal
and hexagonal faces. The simplest Buckminsterfullerene is
Carbon-60, of which there are 1812 non-isomorphic varieties.
Other common Buckminsterfullerenes are Carbon-70 and 76
and 84, and even 100 is pretty common. There are also boron
Buckminsterfullerenes, and there's probably no reason other
tri-valent atoms can't have some fun, too.

A simple Carbon-60 Buckminsterfullerene is about 0.7 nanometers
across. Don't touch'em or breathe'em, as they can enter human
flesh easily but seem to have a heck of time trying to leave,
though. This has caused the tremulous to flap about health
hazards, but humanity has had a long-term exposure to materials
rich in fullerenes (soot was everywhere) and trouble would have
shown up long ago, if there were trouble...

And last, and certainly least, The Bucky Ball is the State Molecule
of Texas!



Sterling K. Webb
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Another NAME mentioned in the NG is geologist Allen West whose search for
telltale micrometeorites in Mamm. tusks led him to a warehouse outside of
Calgary, Canada Fossils. Ageing the tusks, after locating several with
multiple metal fragments and following this up with a similarly pelted giant
bison, radio carbon dating being as imprecise as IT is, something else
serendipitously intervened to nail down the time!
The bones of a Clovis era horse, packed with silt, were found IN the
Extinction layer[the level just below the Black Mats which mark the
"ceiling" of the of the NA Mega fauna "extinction event" [yet to be
confirmed]
Probing into this 13,000 year old silt at the atomic level, finding high
levels of, guess what, Iridium, spawned a continent wide search for similar
finding combing the suspected extinction layer for E.T. evidence.
As they had hoped, elevated levels of Iridium turned up at other sites
across the continent. Knowing that this one finding was inconclusive since
concentrations of this element are known to happen in more conventional
ways, the study was referred to Dr LuAnn Becker, a geochemist and an
authority on the cosmic chemistry of trace elements involved in these
cataclysmic events.
Looking for nano sized traces of star dust, she found fullerenes, thought
to have formed in the explosion of rare carbon stars, with cosmic HE3
trapped inside. Becker is among a group who surmise that these have arrived
on earth by hitching rides on comets or asteroids. Though many experts
remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye
balls another problem relates to the lack of a crater dating to that time.
ICE, however, makes a marvelous mask and might explain the absence of traces
of a 13,000 year old crater which, enormous if it were capable of wiping out
human and animal populations across a continent, remains too subtle to be
recognized by our current technology.
Subsequent portions of the show dramatize the "perfect" impact point where
most damage might be wrought concluding with the Nuc. winter as confirmed by
dramatic climate change over the next 400 years.
Anywho, I hope somebody gets to take in the show and set it to rest as a
possible scenario or comments on it.
Forgive my longwinded attempt to capsulate the show. I haven't done it
justice at any rate.
P.S. did anyone get to see any meteors early this morning?
Jerry Flaherty
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>I know that this thread centers on metal imbedded in some Mammoth tusks BUT
>I've yet seen where anyone has referred to 1988 archaeologist Bill
>Topping's find of metal shrapnel found in Clovis Flakes and his
>unsuccessful attempt to reproduce this kind of event by firing a 12 ga.
>shotgun filled with tiny metal particles at similar flakes. Nat Geo
>"Mammoth Mystery".
> I wish somebody who's seen this show would comment on it's authenticity.
> As a layperson, I'm impressed but I feel exposed without anyone's
> criticism or corroboration or commentary.
> Jerry Flaherty
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> From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "tracy latimer" <daistiho at hotmail.com>; "Meteorite Mailing List"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:54 PM
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>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Bear in mind that they have found exactly EIGHT
>> mammoth tusks and ONE Siberian bison tusk with
>> this evidence after sorting through a warehouse of
>> mammoth ivory gathered from all over. Again, it's the
>> few and tiny clues in a mountain of potential evidence.
>>
>> Such tusks are relatively plentiful and are in big demand
>> among those who need ivory legitimately in small qualtities,
>> now that ivory is banned. Just go on eBay and search
>> for guitar saddle (and saddle blanks) of "mammoth ivory"
>> and "fossil ivory"! (Fossil walrus tusk is popular, too.)
>>
>> So, all they've found is just the few examples of a rare
>> marker of an event. Viewed that way, it does not seem so
>> unreasonable that there would be a handful of animals at
>> the edge of a blast zone from an airburst that would survive
>> the event but get "peppered." It's not as if all the mammoths
>> of the era were walking around with tusk-wounds and shaking
>> their shaggy heads to stop the ringing in those big ears...
>>
>>
>> Sterling K. Webb
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>> To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>; "Meteorite
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>> List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
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>>
>>
>>
>> Wups! Sounds like I may have inadvertently stepped on some academic
>> toes.
>> I don't mean to accuse the good doctor of faking anything, and apologize
>> if
>> it came out like that. I'm just trying to imagine a cosmic event that
>> would
>> hurl near-microscopic BBs of iron through the atmosphere at meteoric
>> speed
>> without reducing them to incandescent vapor, yet have them keep enough
>> inertia and heat to penetrate bone and ivory. Popular cinema
>> representations aside ("Armageddon", anyone?) meteorites that go that
>> fast
>> and are that small are really meteors and burn up before hitting the
>> ground.
>> Slightly bigger bits, a la Holbrook, went into dark/cold flight long
>> before
>> getting near the ground. Our atmosphere is a very efficient protection
>> device. Given the extraordinary claim, I'd like extraordinary evidence.
>>
>> Is there a terrestrial phenomenon that would fill the bill, like volcanic
>> ash? Where were the tusks and bones originally found, and in conjunction
>> with what sediments/plant matter/snow? Were they on the surface, or did
>> they have to be excavated, and can their location be revisited for
>> sampling?
>> Have deposits of the smoking iron pellets (okay from now on, I'm just
>> going
>> to call them Hot Hail, as in the Flash Gordon Emperor Ming device) been
>> found elsewhere, in the same manner as the K-T iridium layer? If the Hot
>> Hail penetrated mammoth tusks, we should find them imbedded in soil
>> deposits, snow layers, and tree trunks from the same era. Did the Hot
>> Hail
>> have a strewnfield?
>>
>> I know, I know.... too many questions with no theory.
>> Tracy Latimer
>>
>>> From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:30:26 -0600
>>> CC: daistiho at hotmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered with Meteorite
>>> Fragments
>>>
>>> Hi, List
>>>
>>> Well, I knew we were going to get back to those
>>> mammoth teeth... How about the history of the
>>> whole crazy thing? Who is Richard B. Firestone?
>>>
>>> Firestone is a well-established scientist
>>> I think you can dismiss the shotgun theory, really:
>>> No Cardiff Giant, no Abominable Snow Man, no fake
>>> diamond mine, no Barnum tricks.
>>>
>>
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