[meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments

From: Jerry <grf2_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:43:59 -0500
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Oh yes, countless nano diamonds were found throughout the extinction layer!
Jerry Flaherty
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> Another NAME mentioned in the NG is geologist Allen West whose search for
> telltale micrometeorites in Mamm. tusks led him to a warehouse outside of
> Calgary, Canada Fossils. Ageing the tusks, after locating several with
> multiple metal fragments and following this up with a similarly pelted
> giant bison, radio carbon dating being as imprecise as IT is, something
> else serendipitously intervened to nail down the time!
> The bones of a Clovis era horse, packed with silt, were found IN the
> Extinction layer[the level just below the Black Mats which mark the
> "ceiling" of the of the NA Mega fauna "extinction event" [yet to be
> confirmed]
> Probing into this 13,000 year old silt at the atomic level, finding high
> levels of, guess what, Iridium, spawned a continent wide search for
> similar finding combing the suspected extinction layer for E.T. evidence.
> As they had hoped, elevated levels of Iridium turned up at other sites
> across the continent. Knowing that this one finding was inconclusive since
> concentrations of this element are known to happen in more conventional
> ways, the study was referred to Dr LuAnn Becker, a geochemist and an
> authority on the cosmic chemistry of trace elements involved in these
> cataclysmic events.
> Looking for nano sized traces of star dust, she found fullerenes, thought
> to have formed in the explosion of rare carbon stars, with cosmic HE3
> trapped inside. Becker is among a group who surmise that these have
> arrived on earth by hitching rides on comets or asteroids. Though many
> experts remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related
> to buckeye balls another problem relates to the lack of a crater dating to
> that time.
> ICE, however, makes a marvelous mask and might explain the absence of
> traces of a 13,000 year old crater which, enormous if it were capable of
> wiping out human and animal populations across a continent, remains too
> subtle to be recognized by our current technology.
> Subsequent portions of the show dramatize the "perfect" impact point where
> most damage might be wrought concluding with the Nuc. winter as confirmed
> by dramatic climate change over the next 400 years.
> Anywho, I hope somebody gets to take in the show and set it to rest as a
> possible scenario or comments on it.
> Forgive my longwinded attempt to capsulate the show. I haven't done it
> justice at any rate.
> P.S. did anyone get to see any meteors early this morning?
> Jerry Flaherty
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> From: "Jerry" <grf2 at verizon.net>
> To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>; "tracy latimer"
> <daistiho at hotmail.com>; "Meteorite Mailing List"
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>>I know that this thread centers on metal imbedded in some Mammoth tusks
>>BUT I've yet seen where anyone has referred to 1988 archaeologist Bill
>>Topping's find of metal shrapnel found in Clovis Flakes and his
>>unsuccessful attempt to reproduce this kind of event by firing a 12 ga.
>>shotgun filled with tiny metal particles at similar flakes. Nat Geo
>>"Mammoth Mystery".
>> I wish somebody who's seen this show would comment on it's authenticity.
>> As a layperson, I'm impressed but I feel exposed without anyone's
>> criticism or corroboration or commentary.
>> Jerry Flaherty
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>> From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "tracy latimer" <daistiho at hotmail.com>; "Meteorite Mailing List"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:54 PM
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>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Bear in mind that they have found exactly EIGHT
>>> mammoth tusks and ONE Siberian bison tusk with
>>> this evidence after sorting through a warehouse of
>>> mammoth ivory gathered from all over. Again, it's the
>>> few and tiny clues in a mountain of potential evidence.
>>>
>>> Such tusks are relatively plentiful and are in big demand
>>> among those who need ivory legitimately in small qualtities,
>>> now that ivory is banned. Just go on eBay and search
>>> for guitar saddle (and saddle blanks) of "mammoth ivory"
>>> and "fossil ivory"! (Fossil walrus tusk is popular, too.)
>>>
>>> So, all they've found is just the few examples of a rare
>>> marker of an event. Viewed that way, it does not seem so
>>> unreasonable that there would be a handful of animals at
>>> the edge of a blast zone from an airburst that would survive
>>> the event but get "peppered." It's not as if all the mammoths
>>> of the era were walking around with tusk-wounds and shaking
>>> their shaggy heads to stop the ringing in those big ears...
>>>
>>>
>>> Sterling K. Webb
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>>> From: "tracy latimer" <daistiho at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>; "Meteorite
>>> Mailing
>>> List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:05 AM
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>>>
>>>
>>> Wups! Sounds like I may have inadvertently stepped on some academic
>>> toes.
>>> I don't mean to accuse the good doctor of faking anything, and apologize
>>> if
>>> it came out like that. I'm just trying to imagine a cosmic event that
>>> would
>>> hurl near-microscopic BBs of iron through the atmosphere at meteoric
>>> speed
>>> without reducing them to incandescent vapor, yet have them keep enough
>>> inertia and heat to penetrate bone and ivory. Popular cinema
>>> representations aside ("Armageddon", anyone?) meteorites that go that
>>> fast
>>> and are that small are really meteors and burn up before hitting the
>>> ground.
>>> Slightly bigger bits, a la Holbrook, went into dark/cold flight long
>>> before
>>> getting near the ground. Our atmosphere is a very efficient protection
>>> device. Given the extraordinary claim, I'd like extraordinary evidence.
>>>
>>> Is there a terrestrial phenomenon that would fill the bill, like
>>> volcanic
>>> ash? Where were the tusks and bones originally found, and in
>>> conjunction
>>> with what sediments/plant matter/snow? Were they on the surface, or did
>>> they have to be excavated, and can their location be revisited for
>>> sampling?
>>> Have deposits of the smoking iron pellets (okay from now on, I'm just
>>> going
>>> to call them Hot Hail, as in the Flash Gordon Emperor Ming device) been
>>> found elsewhere, in the same manner as the K-T iridium layer? If the
>>> Hot
>>> Hail penetrated mammoth tusks, we should find them imbedded in soil
>>> deposits, snow layers, and tree trunks from the same era. Did the Hot
>>> Hail
>>> have a strewnfield?
>>>
>>> I know, I know.... too many questions with no theory.
>>> Tracy Latimer
>>>
>>>> From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net
>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:30:26 -0600
>>>> CC: daistiho at hotmail.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered with Meteorite
>>>> Fragments
>>>>
>>>> Hi, List
>>>>
>>>> Well, I knew we were going to get back to those
>>>> mammoth teeth... How about the history of the
>>>> whole crazy thing? Who is Richard B. Firestone?
>>>>
>>>> Firestone is a well-established scientist
>>>> I think you can dismiss the shotgun theory, really:
>>>> No Cardiff Giant, no Abominable Snow Man, no fake
>>>> diamond mine, no Barnum tricks.
>>>>
>>>
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