[meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments

From: Jerry <grf2_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:58:34 -0500
Message-ID: <5B1298650B254C4ABFBB094D2A85E8ED_at_Notebook>

I know that this thread centers on metal imbedded in some Mammoth tusks BUT
I've yet seen where anyone has referred to 1988 archaeologist Bill Topping's
find of metal shrapnel found in Clovis Flakes and his unsuccessful attempt
to reproduce this kind of event by firing a 12 ga. shotgun filled with tiny
metal particles at similar flakes. Nat Geo "Mammoth Mystery".
I wish somebody who's seen this show would comment on it's authenticity. As
a layperson, I'm impressed but I feel exposed without anyone's criticism or
corroboration or commentary.
Jerry Flaherty
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From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
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> Hi,
>
> Bear in mind that they have found exactly EIGHT
> mammoth tusks and ONE Siberian bison tusk with
> this evidence after sorting through a warehouse of
> mammoth ivory gathered from all over. Again, it's the
> few and tiny clues in a mountain of potential evidence.
>
> Such tusks are relatively plentiful and are in big demand
> among those who need ivory legitimately in small qualtities,
> now that ivory is banned. Just go on eBay and search
> for guitar saddle (and saddle blanks) of "mammoth ivory"
> and "fossil ivory"! (Fossil walrus tusk is popular, too.)
>
> So, all they've found is just the few examples of a rare
> marker of an event. Viewed that way, it does not seem so
> unreasonable that there would be a handful of animals at
> the edge of a blast zone from an airburst that would survive
> the event but get "peppered." It's not as if all the mammoths
> of the era were walking around with tusk-wounds and shaking
> their shaggy heads to stop the ringing in those big ears...
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
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> From: "tracy latimer" <daistiho at hotmail.com>
> To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>; "Meteorite Mailing
> List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:05 AM
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>
>
>
> Wups! Sounds like I may have inadvertently stepped on some academic toes.
> I don't mean to accuse the good doctor of faking anything, and apologize
> if
> it came out like that. I'm just trying to imagine a cosmic event that
> would
> hurl near-microscopic BBs of iron through the atmosphere at meteoric speed
> without reducing them to incandescent vapor, yet have them keep enough
> inertia and heat to penetrate bone and ivory. Popular cinema
> representations aside ("Armageddon", anyone?) meteorites that go that fast
> and are that small are really meteors and burn up before hitting the
> ground.
> Slightly bigger bits, a la Holbrook, went into dark/cold flight long
> before
> getting near the ground. Our atmosphere is a very efficient protection
> device. Given the extraordinary claim, I'd like extraordinary evidence.
>
> Is there a terrestrial phenomenon that would fill the bill, like volcanic
> ash? Where were the tusks and bones originally found, and in conjunction
> with what sediments/plant matter/snow? Were they on the surface, or did
> they have to be excavated, and can their location be revisited for
> sampling?
> Have deposits of the smoking iron pellets (okay from now on, I'm just
> going
> to call them Hot Hail, as in the Flash Gordon Emperor Ming device) been
> found elsewhere, in the same manner as the K-T iridium layer? If the Hot
> Hail penetrated mammoth tusks, we should find them imbedded in soil
> deposits, snow layers, and tree trunks from the same era. Did the Hot
> Hail
> have a strewnfield?
>
> I know, I know.... too many questions with no theory.
> Tracy Latimer
>
>> From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:30:26 -0600
>> CC: daistiho at hotmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered with Meteorite
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>>
>> Hi, List
>>
>> Well, I knew we were going to get back to those
>> mammoth teeth... How about the history of the
>> whole crazy thing? Who is Richard B. Firestone?
>>
>> Firestone is a well-established scientist
>> I think you can dismiss the shotgun theory, really:
>> No Cardiff Giant, no Abominable Snow Man, no fake
>> diamond mine, no Barnum tricks.
>>
>
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