[meteorite-list] Re Firstone: Anything but impact, eh?

From: mexicodoug <mexicodoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:03:04 -0600
Message-ID: <001901c83ead$e23cf850$4001a8c0_at_MICASA>

Or so the story goes ...
anyways that's why CD would be spherules and not ellipsoidules or splatules
(if they were hot enough to penetrate bone appreciably) :-)

General comment: We got the idea! ... it *is* quite a far flung theory ...
but then again, like it or not, there are some parallels to the Tunguska
stuck in the trees ... so I'm still keeping an open mind until a real
alternate theory is proposed and more information is actually published that
explains about the supposed Ni-containing thingees and ideas on what they
were doing in the tusks. The folks advancing it do not appear to be frauds
nor liers, and they would appear to have discovered something odd. So they
have have kudos for that, and the benefit of the doubt and some guts, too,
for the moment.

If the tusks are really fossils and not still boney, my difficulty in
connecting the dots is more on how the metals Nickel and Titanium - were
detected and quantified, and what these paths into the bone looked like.
This because, you need to be more Willamette sized to conserve some mass.
I'd rathjer start at the beginning to see why they think this is meteoritic
residue.

Still, it would be a lot more refreshing to have an counter-proposal on what
the thingees *are* doing in the tusks.

If Darren wasn't on the trail with the excavation tools (or what I had
imagined similarly, dynamite involvement, etc., however the deposits were
unearthed), it would be much more exciting to turn some creative energy to
construct what might actually explain the observations. The use of this
theory is, at worst, as a place holder until a better one comes along. Open
minds are important! For example, it interesting to talk about the
"direction of the wind" in the moments following a relatively localized
catastrophe of such magnitude, etc., etc.

The alternates so far that I see are, the digging/cleaning tool connection,
excavation blasting connection, or perhaps the vacationing aliens that came
Mammoth hunting with sawed off blaster guns - any other more respectable
ideas?

Best wishes, great health,
Doug





----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re Firstone: Anything but impact, eh?


> Hola E.P., All,
>
>>Perhaps data from Barringer could throw more light on
> the reentry of iron spherules from an iron ground
> impact. I seem to remember frei-punkt, a maximum speed
> for air entry.
>
> Reentry of iron sperules? Maximum speed? With Canyon Diablo, they
> condensed out of a cloud of vapour above the site of impact, no other
> way. Spherules weren't moving quickly or anything like that - they
> condensed, and fell primarily downwind of the crater, at, I would
> assume, relatively low velocity and temperature - not quickly enough
> or hot enough to penetrate bone, I'm sure.
> Regards,
> Jason.
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2007 10:24 AM, E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi all -
>>
>> If one examines the C14 adjustment chart in the pdf,
>> one notices the nice adjustment at 10,900 BCE.
>>
>> While I assembled some of the peoples' traditions
>> which described COMET IMPACT and generally have been
>> dumped on by many for suggesting that the peoples
>> remembered what happened to them, Kenneth's recovery
>> of impactites is pretty much is undeniable. Trying to
>> remember through the haze here, but did Kenneth not
>> also demonstrate comet related 3He samples?
>>
>> Given the C14 adjuctment at 10,900, is it possible
>> that hyper-velocity impacts free binding forces, and
>> that neutrons are released?
>>
>> Next question down this chain. If this is so, might
>> such a process affect the results of some the standard
>> tools used in examining meteoritic samples?
>>
>> Perhaps data from Barringer could throw more light on
>> the reentry of iron spherules from an iron ground
>> impact. I seem to remember frei-punkt, a maximum speed
>> for air entry.
>>
>> That's my guess at what is being looked at, nothing
>> more exotic than that. Where did these peppered tusks
>> come from?
>>
>> PS - there was another major impact around 8,350 BCE
>> which ended the paleo period.
>>
>> E.P. Grondine
>> Man and Impact in the Americas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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