[meteorite-list] Monday morning, and back into the muck

From: Bill <glixard_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:02:57 -0800
Message-ID: <6B9572ED0DA.00000494glixard_at_inbox.com>

It was interesting in the beginning. Now it's become an epic of spam. With all respect, although I'm beginning to wonder if any is due...

Bill
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: epgrondine at yahoo.com
> Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:36:55 -0700 (PDT)
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Monday morning, and back into the muck
>
> Hi all -
>
> Christ, do I get awarded a doctorate after all of this
> is done? Or is their a large cash prize involved if I
> "win" this?
>
> I wrote:
>
> "Back now to the Fairbank muck deposit:
> I WAS WRONG. I MADE A MISTAKE. AN ERROR.
>
> Clearly, the deposits which Hibbens observed
> at Fairbanks came from the sudden ice melt
> following this impact event:"
>
> And Paul observed:
> "This is not the impact generated mega-tsunami, which
> here-to fore you have been arguing happened and which
> is what I thought the discussion was all about. I find
> it revealing that once your tsunami hypothesis for the
> origin of specific beds described by Hibben (1943) has
> been demolished, you invents a new and contradictory
> explanation."
>
> Well, as it is very difficult to try to figure out
> exactly what occurred when some 12,000 years ago, I
> reserve my right to change my opinion again as new
> data comes in. The First People's holocene start
> accounts that I read had no large fire, but then I've
> been told by other researchers that there are other
> accounts which do.
>
> That said, the traditions that I did read all included
> the description of a COMET. And as it was very
> difficult to try to understand exactly what the
> ancestors were trying to tell us, I kept my commentary
> very distinct from the passing on of their traditions.
>
> "If this is what Mr. Grondine is proposing, then it is
>
> dishonest for Mr. Grondine to claim that Hibben (1943)
> supports his point of view"
>
> What Hibben proposed was that a supervolcanic
> explosion had killed the mega-fuana. And I set out
> Hibben's hypothesis in my book "Man and Impact in the
> Americas", and stated why I disagreed with it. There
> is nothing "dishonest" about that. That's unlike some
> people, who will intentionally misquote my own words
> back to me, and quite fearlessly add insults to their
> comments.
>
> "as Hibben (1943) clearly stated:
>
> ""The deposits known as muck may be definitely
> described, in the opinion of the writer, as loess
> material. All characteristics seem to indicate a
> wind-borne origin from comparatively local
> sources, as the material resembles local bedrock.
> The outwash plains of the local glaciations are
> likely points of origin for this material.""
>
> "Hibben (1943) clearly states above that he interprets
> the bulk of the Alaskan "muck" being likely composed
> of wind-blown silt."
>
> "It is just specific layers, which Hibben (1943)
> described as being containing the jumbled remains of
> plants and animals that he argued as being the result
> of a catastrophe."
>
> "Even your new hypothesis cannot explain the physical
> characteristics of the Alaskan muck. Cataclysmic
> floods of any type simply do not deposit thick
> sequences of silty sediments."
>
> Well, floods may not deposit "thick sequences of silty
> sediments", but impact mega-tsunami do, as can be seen
> at La Venta, where they have 20 feet of "marine
> sediment".
>
> Bottom line, Paul, I've never been to Alaska, and I
> thought that the reason that the hydraulic mining
> operation was going on was to recover gold from
> gravels that had been washed down.
>
> EP
>
>
>
>
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