[meteorite-list] Nut finds fake meteorite with fake technology!

From: MexicoDoug <MexicoDoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:54:54 -0500
Message-ID: <001b01c7d9dd$0ee77c80$4001a8c0_at_gateway.2wire.net>

Hello Francis, you can buy one of Dr. Hieronymus' machines here for $600, if
you want to do further experimentation:
http://www.lifetechnology.org/hieronymus.htm

The concept the machine is based on, that each body has a UNIQUE (quantum)
frequency is quite wrong IMO as we know that spectrographic analysis will
break it into its component frequencies if we really want a scientific
fingerprint.

So I will be even more generous than you and say in the best circumstance
the machine is just a glorified metal detector discrimination circuit, where
the user finds the point the object detected becomes nulled and that upon
nulling a signal this sends a static electric charge on the plate that makes
it stick to your fingers. That would be a timely electrical circuit to
patent in
1948...

Of course, if you rotate even slightly the object, this null will change, so
I fail to see what could be unique about the 'frequency', and consider the
claim that a single object if cut in half will have an affinity for it's
other half a claim on par with using an EM detector to find poltergeists.
Of course if you start out by believing poltergeists have EM fields then it
will detect EM fields and you can interpret this as you like, but this might
lead some to circular reasoning in which the conclusion is assumed
illogically.

Is this G. Harry Stine my same childhood hero who wrote the Handbook of
Model Rocketry that I checked out of my secondary school library and slept
with for weeks, learning how to triangulate model rockets - same as we do
for meteorites? I would love to get his take on this if he is still around
as he was extremely well versed in the subject.

Best wishes and Great Health,
Doug


----- Original Message -----
From: "Francis Graham" <francisgraham at rocketmail.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nut finds fake meteorite with fake technology!


>
> The story reminds me of a strange pseudomachine to
> detect minerals in rocks featured in G. Harry Stine's
> book "Frontiers of Science: Strange Machines You Can
> Build" called a Heironymous Machine. It supposedly
> examined a mineral with an electric field of some sort
> and placed some kind of charge on a tactile plate, so
> the user could "feel" what was in the rock. It was
> covered by US Patent 2482772.
> I never tried to build it, because the vacuum tubes
> used no longer exist, so I won't go so far as to stick
> my neck out and assert absolutely it won't work, but I
> don't understand how it could, physical laws being
> what they are. But I will be charitable and allow,
> unless the patent examiner was wacked, he or she must
> have seen some merit in it I suppose.
> But why bother when for the same expense, I can
> build a little electric arc and prism spectroscope and
> see the spectral lines and will use my sense of sight
> (not touch) to learn what trace elements might be in
> the rock, if I had to do it from scratch. And of
> course a thin section and a petrographic microscope
> are proven technology for these sorts of
> investigations for the gross minerals in rocks
> themselves. This technology is taught in every
> geology program in every college or University. It's
> worth a thousand bucks at State U. to take this
> particular lab course, dear meteorite colleagues.
> (plug,plug).
> But then G. Harry Stine then makes the
> (conservatively) outrageous claim that a Heironymous
> Machine made of paper symbols for the electrical
> components also works. This, if true, would be so
> jarring to my sense of reality I am not sure I want to
> try it! Actually, he gives credit to John Campbell,
> who said the same in "Astounding Science Fiction" in
> the 1950s. Stine wrote for Campbell. Some of this is
> rehashed on many websites.
> But if anyone has experimented with the actual
> Heironymous Machine G. Harry Stine outlined, or even
> with meteorites, please educate me on how it could
> work. I just don't see how with physical laws it can.
> Unless MAYBE (and I am being charitable again) two
> rocks greatly different in composition might be
> distinguished by the amplified differences in field
> they make on the plate, like meteoric iron and quartz.
>
> Perhaps this type of device (diagrams get around) is
> what the gentleman used to try to find "meteorites".
> If he started to find real meteorites, then, well,
> that's the clincher.
>
> Francis Graham
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