[meteorite-list] the ugly weathered chondrite AD? DISGUISED?

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 15:45:34 -0700
Message-ID: <93aaac890708041545v278e740chea2f8fd19d85c4c8_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hello Marcin, Dirk, Don, All,

I, too, am fed up with these posts, but feel obliged to point out that
the list policies (copied here from the meteoritecentral page) read as
follow:

General List Policies

1) Posts need to relate -in some way- to meteorites
2) Be courteous and professional at all times
3) Please include the 'subject' of the post in the subject box
4) Send emails in text format, not -HTML-
5) Do not send emails with -file attachments- to the list - include a file link
6) Make sure you can back up statements with -facts and references-
7) Do not post -major advertisement- emails to the list- include a 'sale' link
8) If you are posting a URL for a sale, include 'SALE' in the subject box

To break these down....

1) Posts need to relate -in some way- to meteorites

- Steve has generally stuck to this rule. There have been a few
indiscretions, but I recall a number of list members posting
completely unrelated things such as, well, vacation pictures and
pottery made by their children, not to mention other things...don't
hold double standards.

2) Be courteous and professional at all times

- Open to interpretation. I would not call Steve's posts
professional, but then again, there are far less-professional people
on the list who I will not name. I would like to note that the people
who publicly attack his posts, in my opinion, fall into this category.

3) Please include the 'subject' of the post in the subject box

- Steve generally sticks to this - I know you guys and gals get all
riled up about the "AD" bit in the subject line, but that's later.

4) Send emails in text format, not -HTML-

- Is this really a problem? Posts get delayed if sent in this format,
but I don't know if it makes Art do more work...better just follow it,
which I think Steve does.

5) Do not send emails with -file attachments- to the list - include a file link

- A number of people have been sending attachments lately. This does
not include Steve.

6) Make sure you can back up statements with -facts and references-

- Hmmm...I'm going to have to say that Matteo rather annoyed me with
his post that stated that I, as a meteorite hunter here in California,
take NWA's and seed the desert here with them. But that's neither
here nor there...Steve hasn't done this, as far as I know. Yes, he
said he wouldn't post to the list as much, but it's not a list policy
'not to lie' - I know for a fact that people do it on here all the
time, and in fact, the majority of the lying on-list is probably done
by a few of the dealers held in the very highest regard. Again,
neither here nor there...at least Steve's intentions don't appear to
be blatantly malevolent, as do some of the other posts that I see on
here, with nine years of background knowledge behind them...

7) Do not post -major advertisement- emails to the list- include a 'sale' link

- Hasn't been a problem with Steve.

8) If you are posting a URL for a sale, include 'SALE' in the subject box

- Well, this is different, isn't it. I guess there is a sort of an
"AD" rule, but most list members break it by not posting "SALE" in the
subject line. Most of you put "AD" in there instead. Neither of you
(very general plural 'you') follow the letter of the law.


Ok, ok, I know - this must be very annoying, my saying this, but I
think you should think about this for a minute.


There are a good number of you who hate Steve. This is commonly known.
You detest all of his posts: sales, giveaways, requests, exclamations
of a specimen arriving, whatever they may be, you just complain and
seem to get pretty generally riled-up.

Why do you still read them? I stopped long ago, when they started to
get annoying.

You guys make it sound as though you opened his last post expecting to
find some gem of great intellectual or scientific importance, and upon
opening it, found an add.

Are you that stupid?

I'm really quite sorry, but if you are, I think it should be you
leaving the list and not him.
It's called a delete-button. If your email doesn't have one of them,
I'll give you double whatever you pay per month for your email service
to switch to a free email that does have one of those nifty little
things.

So...
It's not more than an hour or so after Steve has made his initial post
and there are no fewer than three (3) angry (well, it's really 2 angry
and one more reasonable) responses, one of which contains an
expletive aimed at Steve.
(That's really quite professional of you, Don, see list policy number
2, which you just, in my opinion, broke.)
I'd have to say thank you for proving my point. I have four spam
messages where I would only have had one. Thank you, all of you.
Your posts, I'm sure, are going to get Steve to stop his posts
forever.

And if you have something to say to Art, I daresay this fellow -

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

mailto: listman at meteoritecentral.com

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

( ^ this is Art's ~supersecret~ email address, just as I found it on
the list-guidelines page, ~one click~ off of the meteoritecentral
~main page~ :D

[I know it's not your fault Marcin - I know English isn't your first
language, and I recognize that my negotiating French websites, even
though I've taken four years of the language in school, and can speak
it reasonably well, would be highly pragmatic. Don and Dirk on the
other hand.....wow.]

So as I was saying, I wish the fellow who answers to the email I put
above will somehow console you, because, as much as I'm sure the other
600 people on this list love to hear you ramble about ~your~
grievances regarding ~your~ having misplaced ~your~ delete button, I
do not.

Jason



On 8/4/07, PolandMET <marcin at polandmet.com> wrote:
> > STEVE, Is this an AD disguised as a question as you
> > often do? ADs REQUIRE AD: IN THE SUBJECT HEADING!
> > FOLLOW THE RULES AND YOUR OWN WORDS ABOUT POSTING ADs,
> > GIVEAWAYS, ETC. THAT YOU PROMISED TO THE LIST STARTING
> > WAY BACK IN 2002! IT APPEARS THAT YOU INTEND TO SELL
> > IT; DON`T YOU?
>
> Oh comone Dirk.
> This guy dont listen and think we are more stupid than he is.
>
> I appel again (to Mr ART)
> This list need real admin/moderator. Otherwise this spam continue. Steve
> spam and answers spam to Steve spam. Not matter if Steve is nice guy or how
> many list members love his spam emails. Steve frequently broke this list
> rules and should be punished for that otherwise persons (dealers) who comply
> with them looks like stupid noobs. I dont like to be a noob.
>
> I know, to be moderator is not easy work, and kicking someone ass in small
> community like this one not bring glory, but In my modest opinion We all
> must comply with our rules or lets do there Wild West and another valuable
> persons will leave like happend before.
>
> We are not children and Steve is also not a kid so or he will stop advertise
> every single gram of his chondrites or he should be kicked from list for
> week, month or forever. This is normall on every forum where admins work
> preperly. And dont say that I can press DEL key easy. Every crime should get
> his payback. Spam is one of the biggest problem in internet at present time.
> But many peoples dont know this becouse they easy accept that 9 of 10 emails
> they receiving is only viagra, medicine, p***s enlargement, warez software,
> gold and diamonds in tons or millions of dollars waiting for our bank
> accounts.
>
> I dont want to be like a angry bee, but this situation was ridiculous months
> ago, and become insane now. We say stop do this Steve, he apologize and do
> the same next hour, day by day, week by week.
>
> Are You guyz really soo interested reading all the time about next Gao he
> have or next giveaway or that he need information how much cost 1gram of
> Sikhote Alin ???? Looks like this is more interested than new classified
> achondrites or Mike trips becouse only few persons frequently try to stop
> this spam, from few hundreds of persons subscribed.
>
> I say: Stop all bullshit on that list. Spam and personal fights, becouse I
> want learn more about meteorites.
>
> I really like to know Art's email (anyone?), to forward him my email. Maybe
> if more persons, who think like me and Dirk, forward him their own opinions
> and feelings, maybe he will change "something", the same as he do before
> (list history topic).
>
> -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
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Received on Sat 04 Aug 2007 06:45:34 PM PDT