[meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists

From: M come Meteorite Meteorites <info_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:41:29 +0200
Message-ID: <46244ff9.155.1736.1320316230_at_webmailh3.aruba.it>

The prices now moroccans want its ridiculous, they want
exaggerated prices also for ruined and weathered OC - last
time have ask to me $1/gr. for material of max. 0.10/gr.
value - eucrites sale time ago for $2/gr. now they want
$6-10/gr. - of the same find - for not speack of
carbonaceous they want 800 euro for a piece of 300 grams...I
have give a offer, they not have accept...ok bye bye, with
time when they will see not sale the pieces they lower the
prices...if they want, or they hold them

Matteo


----- Original Message -----
Da : Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
A : Alhyane Abdelaziz <nwameteorite at yahoo.com>,
Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger
scientists
Data : Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:18:34 -0700 (PDT)

> Um, not even close! While I have been fortunate in the
> past with some purchases, these days, it is no longer
> profitable for me to go to Morocco, thus, last year I
> was only there two times in conjunction with European
> trips. Moroccans now want $10-$20 gram for Eucrites, I
> can pay less for known names. They want $5-$10 gram
> for Carbonaceous chondrites, I can buy Allende, a
> witnessed fall for less.
> The last Lunar from Morocco that I was offered was
> offered to me for more than $150,000. I can buy a new
> home in America for that price. The Moroccans want too
> much, they make 100,0005 profit and expect me to shell
> out $100,000 to make $5000 in profit in a year or two
> time if I am lucky. It is no longer good for me, thus
> I no longer go to Morocco. The market will even out in
> time.
> Michael Farmer
> --- Alhyane Abdelaziz <nwameteorite at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Mike and list
> >
> >
> > thought you were to say hundreds, and for you to
> > make thousands and even millions, because if you
> > have to pay $100 automaitically you see that you'll
> > sell at $1000 or more, but if you do not see a
> > profit, you would not pay $100.this is the comerce.
> > Thanks
> > Aziz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote: The
> > Moroccans are smarter now than most collectors.
> > You will not get a lunar or Martian meteorite cheap
> > there now. 90% of them can recognize one in a
> > second.
> > Don't feel too sorry for most of the Moroccans, they
> > make much more money than most of us dealers who pay
> > nearly retail for the material IN MOROCCO, and they
> >
> > live quite well off of the meteorites. It has
> > greatly
> > impacted the financial well-being of most of them
> > involved in the meteorite trade. I mean come on, now
> > they get tens of thousands of $$$ for a black rock
> > they picked up in the sand. How often does that
> > happen
> > to someone in Germany or the UK?
> > Michael Farmer
> > --- Darren Garrison wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:06:52 -0400, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hello Moni and List,
> > > >If the article is referring to unclassified
> > > material,which would make sense,
> > > >thereby allowing material never to reach the
> > > scientific community, the point
> > > >is well taken.
> > >
> > > The problem with that argument is that from the
> > > stories that the people who go
> > > to Morocco tell, those nomads aren't nearly as
> > > clueless as the article writer
> > > claims that they are. They may have been at
> > first,
> > > but they learned to notice
> > > the difference between a common meteorite and a
> > > valuable one. Which is why
> > > people like MF and the Hupes have to make big
> > > negotiations to get their lunars,
> > > Martians, and other rare achondrites instead of
> > > getting them for 10 cents a gram
> > > in heaps of OCs. The rare stuff is going to be
> > > recognized by the original
> > > dealers and sold at rare stuff prices to rare
> > stuff
> > > dealers/collectors.
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