[meteorite-list] Viva Allende ! (mostly OT)

From: MexicoDoug <MexicoDoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat Sep 16 17:45:21 2006
Message-ID: <003501c6d9d9$41140700$9ecc5ec8_at_0019110394>

Jose, good morning... a little bit on the meaning behind the names of
Allende, Aldama, Hildago, Morelos, and others...

"Yes, Viva Mexico on today's Independence Day!"

Thanks for the kind wishes Jose, we hope Mexico will live Forever & Taday!
I hope you can join us for it some time. Today is the day many people here
would rather stay in bed:-(, it's really a very big celebration from last
night and the Tequila is the naughty national drink - Independence moment
was actually midnight this morning. It's already time to wish the Germans a
wonderful Oktoberfest as things get rolling today...

"Viva Zapata! ( Marlon Brando, 1952 movie)"

Zapata does still live! Not like in the made up Hollywood movie, but really
in the hearts of many fighting for equality. He is a Mexican national and
folk hero from our successful revolution of 1910 so the day we might hear
more shouting "Viva Zapata" is on November 20 - the day of the revolution
("Mexican Civil War") - and a contemporary of folk hero General Francisco
"Pancho" Villa, head of the last foreign army to invade the USA. So, by all
means, shout it out boldly! Something like Viva Zapata! Viva Villa! would
be great in a protest to increase disgusting wages and mistreatment of
workers. But don't loose sight of why we have this tradition for Viva! for
the great founding fathers of Mexico:

The words I typed last night are close to the words yelled from all plazas
throughout Mexico to commemorate the 1810 War of Independence. The
President shouts it from Mexico City, Federal Capital, it was first done at
midnight in 1810 with Hidalgo who started the rebellion, shouting
"Mexicanos, Viva Mexico!" on this day. To show the nations gratitude to
Hidalgo, Allende, Aldama, Jimenez and Morelos, we have this traditional
Independence proclamation.

It didn't go well for Hidalgo, Allende, Aldama and Jimenez, nor Morelos.
Regrouping after three months of unsuccessful campaigns, a disgusting
fleabag of a traitor captured these men in collusion with the Iberians. The
first four were summarily executed in 1811 by the Spanish after being
captured in the harsh and huge desert of the Coahuila iron, decapitated and
hoisted their heads in cages tied to each corner of a large grain warehouse
in the capital of the state where Hidalgo first shouted "Viva Mexico!".
Morelos took over, met also the same bloody end by the Spanish Firing Squad
in 1815, but the fight was finally won until 1821. Ten years after their
murderous executions by the Iberians, Mexicans could finally cut the ten
year old heads down from public display. That's why the "Grito de Dolores"
(Independence Yell) is so important.

Your word question: OK, a Portuguese speaking guy I guess you are thinking,
mmm what he says doesn't compute? ... Here in the New World, specifically,
Mexico, one very common colloquial definition of that word is "people who do
things in an excellent way and are incredibly resilient". It has become a
defiant and proud add on for many in informal mixed company in many ways,
but not really separated as you did, and if the ladies blush, it is more
frequently with pride.

After all the progress we've made since having the first successful war of
independence against the Spanish Colonial authority starting midnight this
morning in 1810 which started the whole "Viva, Mexico!" sense of pride, this
word is added frequently among Mexicans rightfully taking pride in that
resilience. It's still not over. For example, as I typed last night, the
opposition political party prevented the President from pronouncing those
important cultural words in Mexico City, as is a very important custom for
this country. So President Fox decided to do it last night from outside the
capital where Hidalgo originally did it in 1810, the locality of the second
witnessed fall in Mexico, 1844.

The custom is for Mexicans all over the country and world to share this
defiance for the grotesque deaths of the heroes of the War of Independence
by shouting Viva! The add-on, while you may not be able to easily translate
it from a Iberian perspective, it is sure to bring nostalgic memories of
home to anyone from Mexico reading it...

Hope that helps.
Como Mexico no hay dos, es lindo y querido
Best wishes, Doug
PS this was just posted on a Mexican discussion group and also might give
you a cosmopolitan view on the word question:
http://es.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060906031017AANkS2n

Here is a European explanation for you I can't understand but it looks nice:
http://www.aie-globus.de/landundleute/feste/feste.htm

And 1 of 100,000 more sites covering this Mexicanism:
http://www.predicado.com/articulo.php?id=135714

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose Campos" <josecamposcomet_at_netcabo.pt>
To: "MexicoDoug" <MexicoDoug_at_aim.com>; "Meteorite Mailing List"
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Viva Allende !


> To all Mexicans on this List:
> Yes, Viva Mexico on today's Independence Day!
> Viva Allende! and
> Viva Zapata! ( Marlon Brando, 1952 movie) - maybe one day they might find
a
> nice 235kg "Zapata" iron meteorite...:)
>
> But: and I quote Doug:
> "Viva MEXICO Cabrones !"
>
> Cabrones ????
> Jos? Campos
> Portugal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MexicoDoug" <MexicoDoug_at_aim.com>
> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:07 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Viva Allende !
>
>
> > To all Mexicans and amigas y amigos !
> >
> > ??? Mexicanos !!!!
> > Vivan los heroes que nos dieron Patria ! Viva !
> > Viva Hidalgo ! Viva !
> > Viva Morelos ! Viva !
> > Viva Allende ! Viva !
> > Viva Aldama ! Viva!
> > (Viva Do?a Josefa Ortiz de Dominguez!!! Viva! )
> > Viva la Libertad ! Viva !
> > Viva la Independencia ! Viva !
> > Viva Mexico !! 10 X !!!!!!!!!!
> > Campanas!
> >
> > Happy Independence Day !
> > Morelos (First Mexican Communications Satellite!)
> > Allende (Oldest Meteorite on Earth!)
> > Hidalgo (Longest Orbit of all Asteroids in Belt Ast. #944)
> > - and and second oldest witnessed fall in the nation from his then tiny
> > pueblo 1844)
> > Aldama (Two meteorites!)
> >
> > Viva MEXICO Cabrones !
> > Doug
> >
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Received on Sat 16 Sep 2006 05:44:12 PM PDT