[meteorite-list] Chondrule NOT was...AD...

From: ken newton <magellon_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun Sep 10 12:44:08 2006
Message-ID: <4502AF67.9060207_at_earthlink.net>

MexicoDoug wrote:

>Elton, I'm sorry for doubting you with my typically bleeding heart. Another
>possibility to consider vis a vis the observed magnetic properties ... IMO
>a streak test on a ceramic surface like the inside of a roughed-up toilet
>might give an indication whether it could be a relict sediment deformed
>Scansoriopterygidae Pseudochondritic Coprolite. The paramagnetism and lower
>oxidation state could easily be produced by ion-exchange induced
>chromatography under a reducing methane overpressure, in a primitive,
>partially digested Paleospinacia oleracea wild germplasm feedstock.
>
>Dear New List Member, You have some very interesting finds. But let's be
>honest - you are getting kicks out of making this stuff up, right? With all
>due respect, this is not a conspiracy theory list, it is a list of a range
>of people with a vested interest in the passionate documentation and
>authentication of meteorites and meteoritical science. A few months ago you
>were looking for meteorites in your Limedale "persistence" 30-60 million
>year old limestone quarry and found what you called toys and games produced
>by intelligent dinosaurs that didn't go extinct 65 million years ago, but
>rather lived into the iron age a few thousand years ago. You even posted
>pictures with claims as unscientific as they were incredible. All the power
>to you, but I agree with Elton in asking kindly for a little more rigorous
>study, please. You decided they weren't meteorites, for example, because
>you thought a dinosaur made a sailboat out of a blob of X in which you found
>fibers which you said was your theory's justification. Basically, no one
>here has called the grease and bubbles in baloney chondrules and vugs
>without some amount of objective, repeatable science. While it may or may
>not be true that the grease bubbles in baloney are chondrules, you need to
>know something about baloney and chondrules before representing them as
>such. There are appropriate fora for this stuff, so I don't mean to imply
>that you don't have interesting stuff you find in the sediments (you really
>do!) since it does look cool. But you seem to have a history of making
>claims of having meteorites for sale when there is no authentication.
>
>
Here is a very memorable one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160007670467
More?:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6638766864
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6637178431
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6637178825
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6636738292
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6630382972

Please note: As newbies, we all make mistakes and hopefully that is the
case here. To Steve's favor, he has told me he will not to list any new
suspect meteorites on ebay.

Steve, the constructive criticism is offered to encourage and enlighten,
please apply accordingly.

Best,
Ken Newton
IMCA #9632

>Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction - you might be pleasantly surprised
>about what you are pulling out of the quarry without even having to resort
>to the oddball factor.
>(see Ken Newton's great site to help Newbies which classifies you as a
>repeat suspect purveyor of fake meteorite auctions:
>http://home.earthlink.net/~ebaywrong/sajun06.html )
>and plenty of chondru- claims when in fact no scientific determination has
>been made except your weirdly but entertaining explanations.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6639090736
>
>http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:DunIh9o5j8UJ:70.86.59.150/forum/thread1
>96632/pg1+sdunklee72520&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6
>
> Those are my comments worth one cents. Sorry, Doug
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mr EMan" <mstreman53_at_yahoo.com>
>To: New List Member
>Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 8:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrule NOT wasAD - New Rare
>EL3Paleo-Meteorite - NWA 2828
>
>
>Dear New List Member
>A few years ago I would be more "touchy feely" in
>addressing newbie questions but tonight I am out of
>any supportive way to tell you that you may have the
>lexicon right but, I can see you haven't taken the
>Level 1 Sky Cadet Meteoritical Exam Module that
>we all must pass to learn the secret handshake.
>Seriously, while I actually did see where you were
>going more or less, you need revisit the literature.
>You've comingled so many un-mingleable concepts you
>almost reach the standard set by Boggy Creeksters. I
>like the poster to defend the ideas they put forward.
>There are perhaps too many invalid assertions but I'll
>bite.
>
>Why do you think this is a chondrule? It isn't
>chondrules in meteorites which are magnetic--except
>when armored and this isn't the case here.
>
>Why do you think water would transport taenite or
>kamacite without producing iron oxide?
>
>While I appreciate your attempts to place this speck
>into some theory of extraterrestrial origin... one has
>to do more than speed read "Catch a Fallen Star". The
>part you did get right is that a fossil meteorite is
>likely to have undergone some mineral and or
>structural change. In my oppinion a paleometeorite
>may have these factors also but is more likely to have
>relict meteorite characteristics. However, neither is
>likely the case here.
>
>Sorry,
>Elton
>
>--- New List Member wrote:
>
>
>
>>.
>> This would be a fossil chondrule I pulled off the
>>magnet at work last night. I would believe a
>>meteorite fossil would be not recognizable as a
>>meteorite , other than shape OR if you follow the
>>definition of fossilized it would be totally
>>geologically altered
>> There are two layers of iron slate at work in
>>the core samples spaced 1/2 inch apart. I was
>>considering the possibility it was from two asteroid
>>falls ,till it occured to me it might be like
>>chromotography, with water seperating the kamacite
>>and taenite over time into two seperate layers of
>>iron deposits. any thoughts on this? here is a link
>>to the chondrule pic.
>> Best reguards
>> New List Member
>>
>>
>>
>>
>http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sdunklee72520/detail?.dir=4ad5re2&.dnm=7076re2
>.jpg
>
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