[meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Cutting Material

From: Dave <david.carothers_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Oct 18 17:44:15 2006
Message-ID: <26747719.4780681161205973060.JavaMail.root_at_vms061.mailsrvcs.net>

Greg,

If you converted grams and kilos to Bessey Specks you wouldn't have that problem. :-)

Dave


>Hi Martin,
>
>hehe. Good idea but I wouldn't wish that kind of problem on anyone. I do get
>strange looks from people when at a restaurant or bar when I talk about a
>"gram of this or a kilo of that" while with friends even worse when I am on
>the cell phone talking to a client. The eavesdroppers usually do not believe
>you when you explain you are talking about meteorites. The typical reply is,
>"What da heck is a meteor stone, sounds like a code for that funny dust the
>kids getted whacked out on!".
>
>Best regards,
>Greg
>
>====================
>Greg Hupe
>The Hupe Collection
>NaturesVault (eBay)
>gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com
>IMCA 3163
>====================
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann_at_meteorite-martin.de>
>To: "'Greg Hupe'" <gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com>;
><meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:46 PM
>Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Cutting Material
>
>
>Well Greg,
>
>send the lunar dust to your competitors in foreign countries.
>If the customs officer will ask them, what this white powder in those zip
>bags should be, and they grin and state: "Moon dust, man.",
>they will have a lot of fun.
>
>Buckleboo!
>Martin
>
>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg
>Hupe
>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Oktober 2006 20:32
>An: E.P. Grondine
>Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>Betreff: [meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Cutting Material
>
>Dear Ed and List Members,
>
>Ed wrote:
>There's a lot of lunar and Martian dust being created by slicing NWAs, and
>it might as well be put to a very good use."
>
>I have cutting dust from several of my planetary meteorites I have cut, ones
>
>either from my own discoveries or from purchases from other people's finds.
>I used completely cleaned saws and/or polishing equipment prior to cutting
>and/or polishing so the material is as pure as it can be considering the
>sawing and polishing contaminants. I also have cutting/polishing material
>from just about every rare meteorite (i.e. brachinite, angrite, diogenite,
>olivine diogenite, EL3, etc.) I have cut.
>
>If anyone is interested in some quantities of any of this material, please
>contact me off list for an inventory of what I have and how many grams of
>each you would like. If I sell a large amount to a dealer or collector, I
>will not offer the same material in large quantities to others as to not
>create a competing environment for the person who first acquired said
>material in quantity. I will offer smaller amounts in the glass tubes like I
>
>already do to collectors however if I choose, if I have any of the material
>left.
>
>I am also open to suggestions as Ed has stated as to how to best present
>this material.
>
>Best regards,
>Greg
>
>====================
>Greg Hupe
>The Hupe Collection
>NaturesVault (eBay)
>gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com
>IMCA 3163
>====================
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine_at_yahoo.com>
>To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey Specks"
>
>
>> Hi all -
>>
>> We're ignoring the important issues of display and
>> presentation here.
>>
>> I seem to remember that Dean had imbedded the specks
>> in $100 lucite cubes. Way too expensive for young
>> people, who sometimes loose things.
>>
>> While the little glass tubes that Greg Hupe used will
>> fit well in little hands, I am worried about the
>> glass, which limits the age of the recipient.
>>
>> I seem to remember little plastic boxes with
>> magnifying lenses built into the top of them, but I
>> don't think these would be very elegant/pretty, and
>> the tubes are better.
>>
>> Some kind of flat embossed plastic holder with a
>> magnifier molded into it might be ideal, say a blank
>> one on which labels could be printed on a computer and
>> then applied.
>>
>> What kind of presentation do you think would be ideal
>> for Bessey Specks?
>>
>> There's a lot of lunar and martian dust being created
>> by slicing NWAs, and it might as well be put to a very
>> good use.
>>
>> good hunting,
>> Ed
>>
>> --- tracy latimer <daistiho_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For myself, I've always considered a Bessey Speck to
>>> be anything smaller
>>> than a match head or grain of rice. Adequate to
>>> fill in a space in a
>>> collection where larger samples are unavailable or
>>> prohibitively expensive,
>>> but no good for seeing lithologies without a
>>> microscope or 10x lens,
>>> minimum.
>>>
>>> Tracy Latimer
>>>
>>> >From: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_cox.net>
>>> >To: MexicoDoug <MexicoDoug_at_aim.com>,Adam Hupe
>>> <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
>>> >CC: Meteorite List
>>> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>>> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re
>>> "Bessey Specks"
>>> >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:25:43 -0700
>>> >
>>> >Doug and all,
>>> > This is closer - but to be truly a "Bessey
>>> Speck" a specimen
>>> >must be small enough to VERY, VERY EASILY fit in
>>> the smallest
>>> >sized gelatin capsule (they come in a variety of
>>> sizes) and should
>>> >be difficult or nearly difficult to see for anyone
>>> with less than 20/20
>>> >vision. Also referred to as a "Micro-mini" to
>>> differentiate from what Adam
>>> >referred to as a "micromount" which can be as large
>>> as 1" X 1" !
>>> >"Micromount" is well established as fitting in a 1
>>> X 1 - though this
>>> >has been "challenged" with the considerably larger,
>>> yet still small
>>> >membrane boxes, which I am sure many would consider
>>> "micromount"
>>> >as opposed to "macromount" which are ROUGHLY those
>>> that would
>>> >fit in a 2" X 2" box.
>>> > Back to Bessey Speck - it MUST be VERY
>>> small to qualify,
>>> >and certainly MUCH, MUCH smaller than 1" X 1" !
>>> > I regret I must run off to teaching a
>>> couple of classes - this is
>>> >much more interesting to me than arguments.
>>> > Michael
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >on 10/17/06 12:58 PM, MexicoDoug at
>>> MexicoDoug_at_aim.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hello Adam, Listees,
>>> > >
>>> > > Bessey Speck
>>> > > (1) A commercially marketed,
>>> submillimeter-sized, granular or
>>> >irregular,
>>> > > intentionally broken petreus meteoritical
>>> fragment which collectors
>>> >prize as
>>> > > a token possession of an expensive meteorite or
>>> of one with limited
>>> > > distribution, typically used more as a
>>> conversational piece or to
>>> > > satisfactorily fill a primal participatatory
>>> instinct for collection and
>>> > > coat-tailing on the "wow-effect" of possession
>>> of the parent specimen.
>>> > > Compare to "Particle", "Stardust", "Crumb",
>>> "Micro" and "Micromount".
>>> > > (2) Any, almost microscopic-sized particle
>>> originating from a larger
>>> >(macro)
>>> > > meteorite specimen.
>>> > >
>>> > > Note, I'm not disagreeing with Adam' response to
>>> Ed in the sense that
>>> >the
>>> > > term micromount is a term in the toolbox,
>>> although I think the word
>>> >particle
>>> > > is more descriptive for most of our uses. I am
>>> agreeing with Michael
>>> >Blood
>>> > > that the term Bessey Speck has a place.
>>> > >
>>> > > The questionably honorific term "Bessey Speck"
>>> seems like a much more
>>> > > descriptive term to me than micromount for many
>>> collectors. To me a
>>> > > "micromount" implies some sort of serious grand
>>> plan of scientific
>>> > > investigation or illustration of specific
>>> attributes. Size alone
>>> >doesn't
>>> > > count, as much as purpose. For example,
>>> Stardust particles are not
>>> > > micromounts unless prepared that way despite
>>> Adam's definition, and they
>>> >are
>>> > > not Bessey Specks, though micro-Besseyspeckies
>>> are certainly
>>> >hypothetically
>>> > > possible.
>>> > >
>>> > > "Bessey Speck" consideres that not all particles
>>> commercially sold in
>>> >venues
>>> > > like eBay find scientific use regardless of who
>>> is doing the selling.
>>> >That's
>>> > > where Bessey Speck is a unique and interesting
>>> term. Adam's definition
>>> > > clearly has the weighted meaning toward a
>>> usually higher "scientific"
>>> >use in
>>> > > observing material properties: appreciation with
>>> binocular microscope,
>>> > > better developed crystals, etc... The short
>>> comment in that definition
>>> > > "obtaining for less," especially given the
>>> profit and pleasure motives
>>> > > between buyers and sellers, really seems quite
>>> out of place to me.
>>> >Adam's
>>> > > post wasn't clear, at least for me, if he
>>> disagreed with the use of the
>>> >term
>>> > > Bessey Speck or just was offering Ed an
>>> alternate (which I definitely
>>> >agree
>>> > > with Adam in doing).
>>> > >
>>> > > I am not comfortable with the term micromount
>>> being more properly used
>>> >for
>>> > > specimens purposefully shattered into small bits
>>> with a sledge for the
>>> > > unadulterated and pure pleasure of collectors
>>> filling holes in their
>>> > > collections, a majority of which are not "better
>>> appreciating" their
>>> >samples
>>> > > in a binocular microscope which many don't have
>>> nor have too much
>>> >motivation
>>> > > to get.
>>> > >
>>> > > Didn't "Bessey Speck" usage start with Dean's
>>> Mars rock sales many years
>>> > > before most of our times? I am trying to
>>> remember Kevin Kitchinka's
>>> > > comments in "The Art of Meteorite Collecting"
>>> (don't have handy here)
>>> >where
>>> > > an explanation of the etymology of this colorful
>>> term was published and
>>> >my
>>> > > Mars' comment references. Bessey Specks,
>>> though, gets the point across
>>> >much
>>> > > better for me! It's ll in the intended use and
>>> market. While I don'
>>> >think
>>> > > a "Micromount" is an appropiate common sense
>>> description for something
>>> >not
>>> > > carefully prepared and mounted to exhibit some
>>> characteristic, heck - if
>>> > > their not even carefully mounted...
>>> > >
>>> > > So, unless Dean objects to being immortalized in
>>> this fashion, that is
>>> >my 2
>>> > > centavos.
>>> > > Doug
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > > From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
>>> > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>>> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:53 PM
>>> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey
>>> Specks"
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > The term micromount has been used for decades to
>>> describe this type of
>>> > > specimen.
>>> > >
>>> > > Micromount:
>>> > >
>>> > > Micromount is term used by mineral collectors
>>> and rockhounds to describe
>>> > > mineral specimens that are best appreciated
>>> using a binocular
>>> >microscope.
>>> > > Micromount specimen collecting has a number of
>>> advantages, specimens
>>> >take up
>>> > > less space, rare minerals can be obtained for
>>> less and smaller crystals
>>> >are
>>> > > more perfectly developed.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > All the best,
>>> > >
>>> > > Adam
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > > From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine_at_yahoo.com>
>>> > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>>> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:07 AM
>>> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >> Hi Michael, list -
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I see you list your Bessey Specks as "frags".
>>> > >>
>>> > >> (Your price of $25 seems very fair for Nakla
>>> specks,
>>> > >> but I already picked up Mars Bessey Specks for
>>> > >> childrens' gifts at Christmas from Hupe.)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant
>>> term than
>>> > >> "Bessey Specks" for these. Does anybody have
>>> any
>>> > >> proposals? If not, is Dean(?-stroke damage)
>>> Bessey
>>> > >> going to be immortalized by having these
>>> formally
>>> > >> named after him?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Hupe also sent the Bessey specks in small tubes
>>> > >> suitable for young hands, along with 1 nice
>>> pair of
>>> > >> cards (BTW I need a second pair of cards for
>>> the
>>> > >> second set of tubes, Greg), instead of gelatin
>>> > >> capsules.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Perhaps microscope slides would be more
>>> suitable for
>>> > >> adult use, but as I don't remember any
>>> discussion of
>>> > >> these on the list, I'm bringing it up now.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> good hunting -
>>> > >> Ed
>>> > >>
>>> > >> --- Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_cox.net> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Greetings fellow space treasure lovers,
>>> > >>> This post includes a fabulous, large
>>> iron
>>> > >>> and an entire new
>>> > >>> page of historic calls.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> FIRST:
>>> > >>> A beautiful 6.5 Kg / 14.3 Lb S-A Shrapnel
>>> piece that
>>> > >>> appears for all
>>> > >>> the world to be an oriented shield on one side
>>> and a
>>> > >>> flat, oriented
>>> > >>> specimen heading to the left in a downward
>>> angle on
>>> > >>> the other side.
>>> > >>> This piece includes an custom build
>>> display
>>> > >>> stand to facilitate
>>> > >>> a very impressive display of its virtues.
>>> > >>> If no one snaps this up on sale it
>>> will go
>>> > >>> into my catalog
>>> > >>> at $3,250- but the first to contact me will
>>> take it
>>> > >>> in this sale for 2,750-
>>> > >>> (price includes shipping and insurance inside
>>> the
>>> > >>> US)
>>> > >>> This spectacular piece can be seen
>>> at:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> http://community.webshots.com/album/554884324rEfSPa
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> SECOND:
>>> > >>> I have set up an entire page dedicated to
>>> hammers ?
>>> > >>> meteorites that have
>>> > >>> struck man made objects, animals or humans.
>>> This is
>>> > >>> a collection of the
>>> > >>> most impressive of all the recorded meteorite
>>> falls
>>> > >>> in history. I have 35
>>> > >>> different recorded falls (including Bessey
>>> Specks of
>>> > >>> Sylacauga, Yurtuk and
>>> > >>> Burnwell). About half of the falls can also be
>>> found
>>> > >>> elsewhere with diligent
>>> > >>> searching ? and you will find my prices are as
>>> low
>>> > >>> as anyone's. The others
>>> > >>> cannot be had anywhere else. They are priced
>>> > >>> according to cost. This page
>>> > >>> is
>>> > >>> worth checking out even if you don't want to
>>> buy
>>> > >>> anything ? it was 5 years
>>> > >>> in the making and includes historical photos,
>>> links,
>>> > >>> etc. See at the URL
>>> > >>> below:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Pieces on the Hammer page will be marked
>>> "SOLD" as
>>> > >>> orders come in ?
>>> > >>> so, if it is still listed when you email me,
>>> it is
>>> > >>> available.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> PayPal preferred (sent to this email
>>> > >>> address) Visa/Mastercard
>>> > >>> and personal checks gladly accepted.
>>> > >>> Happy Hunting! Michael
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
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