[meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey Specks"

From: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue Oct 17 16:25:56 2006
Message-ID: <C15A8A57.2FBB8%mlblood_at_cox.net>

Doug and all,
        This is closer - but to be truly a "Bessey Speck" a specimen
must be small enough to VERY, VERY EASILY fit in the smallest
sized gelatin capsule (they come in a variety of sizes) and should
be difficult or nearly difficult to see for anyone with less than 20/20
vision. Also referred to as a "Micro-mini" to differentiate from what Adam
referred to as a "micromount" which can be as large as 1" X 1" !
"Micromount" is well established as fitting in a 1 X 1 - though this
has been "challenged" with the considerably larger, yet still small
membrane boxes, which I am sure many would consider "micromount"
as opposed to "macromount" which are ROUGHLY those that would
fit in a 2" X 2" box.
        Back to Bessey Speck - it MUST be VERY small to qualify,
and certainly MUCH, MUCH smaller than 1" X 1" !
        I regret I must run off to teaching a couple of classes - this is
much more interesting to me than arguments.
        Michael


on 10/17/06 12:58 PM, MexicoDoug at MexicoDoug_at_aim.com wrote:

> Hello Adam, Listees,
>
> Bessey Speck
> (1) A commercially marketed, submillimeter-sized, granular or irregular,
> intentionally broken petreus meteoritical fragment which collectors prize as
> a token possession of an expensive meteorite or of one with limited
> distribution, typically used more as a conversational piece or to
> satisfactorily fill a primal participatatory instinct for collection and
> coat-tailing on the "wow-effect" of possession of the parent specimen.
> Compare to "Particle", "Stardust", "Crumb", "Micro" and "Micromount".
> (2) Any, almost microscopic-sized particle originating from a larger (macro)
> meteorite specimen.
>
> Note, I'm not disagreeing with Adam' response to Ed in the sense that the
> term micromount is a term in the toolbox, although I think the word particle
> is more descriptive for most of our uses. I am agreeing with Michael Blood
> that the term Bessey Speck has a place.
>
> The questionably honorific term "Bessey Speck" seems like a much more
> descriptive term to me than micromount for many collectors. To me a
> "micromount" implies some sort of serious grand plan of scientific
> investigation or illustration of specific attributes. Size alone doesn't
> count, as much as purpose. For example, Stardust particles are not
> micromounts unless prepared that way despite Adam's definition, and they are
> not Bessey Specks, though micro-Besseyspeckies are certainly hypothetically
> possible.
>
> "Bessey Speck" consideres that not all particles commercially sold in venues
> like eBay find scientific use regardless of who is doing the selling. That's
> where Bessey Speck is a unique and interesting term. Adam's definition
> clearly has the weighted meaning toward a usually higher "scientific" use in
> observing material properties: appreciation with binocular microscope,
> better developed crystals, etc... The short comment in that definition
> "obtaining for less," especially given the profit and pleasure motives
> between buyers and sellers, really seems quite out of place to me. Adam's
> post wasn't clear, at least for me, if he disagreed with the use of the term
> Bessey Speck or just was offering Ed an alternate (which I definitely agree
> with Adam in doing).
>
> I am not comfortable with the term micromount being more properly used for
> specimens purposefully shattered into small bits with a sledge for the
> unadulterated and pure pleasure of collectors filling holes in their
> collections, a majority of which are not "better appreciating" their samples
> in a binocular microscope which many don't have nor have too much motivation
> to get.
>
> Didn't "Bessey Speck" usage start with Dean's Mars rock sales many years
> before most of our times? I am trying to remember Kevin Kitchinka's
> comments in "The Art of Meteorite Collecting" (don't have handy here) where
> an explanation of the etymology of this colorful term was published and my
> Mars' comment references. Bessey Specks, though, gets the point across much
> better for me! It's ll in the intended use and market. While I don' think
> a "Micromount" is an appropiate common sense description for something not
> carefully prepared and mounted to exhibit some characteristic, heck - if
> their not even carefully mounted...
>
> So, unless Dean objects to being immortalized in this fashion, that is my 2
> centavos.
> Doug
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"
>
>
> The term micromount has been used for decades to describe this type of
> specimen.
>
> Micromount:
>
> Micromount is term used by mineral collectors and rockhounds to describe
> mineral specimens that are best appreciated using a binocular microscope.
> Micromount specimen collecting has a number of advantages, specimens take up
> less space, rare minerals can be obtained for less and smaller crystals are
> more perfectly developed.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine_at_yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:07 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"
>
>
>> Hi Michael, list -
>>
>> I see you list your Bessey Specks as "frags".
>>
>> (Your price of $25 seems very fair for Nakla specks,
>> but I already picked up Mars Bessey Specks for
>> childrens' gifts at Christmas from Hupe.)
>>
>> Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant term than
>> "Bessey Specks" for these. Does anybody have any
>> proposals? If not, is Dean(?-stroke damage) Bessey
>> going to be immortalized by having these formally
>> named after him?
>>
>> Hupe also sent the Bessey specks in small tubes
>> suitable for young hands, along with 1 nice pair of
>> cards (BTW I need a second pair of cards for the
>> second set of tubes, Greg), instead of gelatin
>> capsules.
>>
>> Perhaps microscope slides would be more suitable for
>> adult use, but as I don't remember any discussion of
>> these on the list, I'm bringing it up now.
>>
>> good hunting -
>> Ed
>>
>> --- Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings fellow space treasure lovers,
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>> Happy Hunting! Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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