[meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun Oct 15 03:37:36 2006
Message-ID: <01f901c6f02c$c8062130$6501a8c0_at_HPDESKTOP>

Stan,

The complaints have been pouring in about your supposed pairing for days,
every since your action started. I see you added a provisional number at the
very bottom of your auction after the damage was already done. Why not wait
for a formal report in order to release this item if it is due out shortly?
This confuses collectors and is misleading. Why is that you mention our last
name in your auctions?, this is a poor business practice to say the least.
Greg went out to Morocco and got NWA 2999 himself, not from Adam Aaronson so
get your story straight. You should not comment on things you know nothing
about. Greg, does not get anything from the Aaronson's so you may want to
retract this statement in your auction and here on the List. Why is it so
difficult to admit you are totally wrong in this case and the case of NWA
1839?

Adam



----- Original Message -----
From: "stan ." <laser_maniac_at_hotmail.com>
To: <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days


> Adam,
>
> Are you and your brother blind? here it is spelled out in crayon for you -
> i have highligted the portion of my auction that you both have claimed
> dont exist in red - please scroll down all the way and READ the entire
> description:
>
> http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5415/adamandgregkp9.jpg
>
> Still think I'm the one jumping the gun?
>
> I personally am at a loss as to why you would say that this material
> doesnt look like 2999 unless my photography just plain sucks (i'll admit
> to this possibility) - every piece i have looks EXACTLY like photos you
> have posted. Blaine Reed thinks that this stone looks EXACTLY like your
> material. Adam Aaronson (the original source for ALL of this material
> AFIK) thinks this stone looks EXACTLY like your material. At least one
> scientist I have spoken with thinks that this material looks EXACTLY like
> your material.
>
> on the subject of nwa 3133/1839 - you had said that the reason for your
> belief that the stones were not paired was based upon new isotopse
> analysis (other than oxygen) do you have any actual data that you can
> share that will back up your claim? I'd be most interested in it.
>
> FWIW claims about pairings on this stone/2999 and on 1839/3133 were not my
> own - In both cases I have put forth all the avalible information I have
> on the material as well as citing the source of the claim in question.
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
>
>>Stan,
>>
>>Nowhere in your auction did you say that a provisional number was
>>assigned. It is simple, use your own NWA numbers from now on whether they
>>are provisional or not. It is dangerous to make pairing statements, let
>>the scientists do their job in this regard and make it formal. You made
>>pairing statements in the past that were found to be in error (NWA
>>1839/3133) and this new item looks nothing like any piece of NWA 2999 I
>>have seen so I can understand Greg's concern. Greg went through the
>>trouble of removing a type sample from each of the 12 stones just to make
>>sure what he is offering is the real deal. I think you owe him an apology
>>for jumping the gun on this one.
>>
>>Adam
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "stan ." <laser_maniac_at_hotmail.com>
>>To: <gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com>
>>Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 10:34 PM
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days
>>
>>
>>>Greg
>>>
>>>why dont you bother to read the whole gosh darned ebay listing before you
>>>accuse me of self pairing and asking me if i'm a scientist - to avoid
>>>making yourself look like a fool who is just trying to protect his market
>>>share without giving a rat's behind about the collectors.
>>>
>>>My ebay ad specifically states that NAU has ALREADY determined this
>>>material to be an angrite - and that the material is (provisional) NWA
>>>2934. All that Dr. Bunch was waiting on before making this offical is the
>>>remainder of the type specimin deposit since Adam Aaronson's sample (the
>>>same source for Boswell's material and yours as well AFIK) was bellow the
>>>20g requirement. the remainder of this mass he should have by next week
>>>the postal services willing.
>>>
>>>Now i guess you could argue that Dr. Bunch might not know what he is
>>>doing and i shouldnt offer the material till the classification is voted
>>>on by the nomcom - but since Dr. Bunch co-authored the 'case for mercury'
>>>paper AND took part in the classification of nwa 2999 I personally think
>>>his word on the matter is good enough for me. I fully disclosed that the
>>>number is provisional and that the assumption of pairing was based upon
>>>information from my source. I dont see what kind of (legitimate)
>>>complaint you might have.
>>>
>>>I have maybe another 5g of this material that is 'extra' to my collection
>>>from opening up the cut face on the stone i bought and removing material
>>>to finialize the type specimin donation. No need to worry about my
>>>flooding the market greg - after that 5g you can go back to selling the
>>>stuff for as much money as you can get.
>>>
>>>now why dont YOU do the right thing and apologize to the list for this
>>>BS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com>
>>>>To: "stan ." <laser_maniac_at_hotmail.com>
>>>>CC: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days
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>>>>Dear Stan and List Members,
>>>>
>>>>Stan wrote:
>>>>"...an angrite slice paired to nwa 2999/3164 that shows off translucent
>>>>augite..."
>>>>
>>>>Stan, this looks like very bad business ethics in a few ways, especially
>>>>in undermining collector confidence in what YOU sell. Your eBay title
>>>>reads, "new NWA angrite meteorite possible NWA 2999/3164 pairs". This
>>>>appears to be more self-pairing, are you a scientist? What is YOUR NWA
>>>>number that was assigned to this material which actually looks like your
>>>>ureilite a while back you claimed as "pallasite-like" (now that phrase
>>>>sounds familiar!!).
>>>>
>>>>When I discovered NWA 2999 (the real McCoy!), there were only 12
>>>>complete stones in which I cut every single one of them and provided
>>>>material to have thin sections made to determine they were all paired,
>>>>which they were. Here is a link to a photo of those twelve OFFICIAL NWA
>>>>2999 stones: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2999/nwa2999a.jpg (notice how
>>>>they are all flat on bottom where I cut a piece off for thin sections).
>>>>
>>>>There were however, a couple additional "potential angrite" stones that
>>>>proved not to be angrite material so you need to have the scientists do
>>>>their job and get an officially assigned NWA number for your material,
>>>>whatever it may be. This needs to be done with all suspected meteorites,
>>>>especially as rare and important as an angrite! In your eBay ad you
>>>>state the material was purchased for you from someone at the Denver
>>>>Show, most likely a Moroccan who made the pairing is my guess and we
>>>>know what happens when you go strictly by their word, or even anyone
>>>>else such as yourself in this case.
>>>>
>>>>Do the right thing, get it analyzed by a lab and have an NWA number
>>>>assigned, the meteorite community deserves this of ALL of this type of
>>>>thing. I see the coat-tailing happening again, not just with you, but
>>>>with other self-made "scientists" who do not do the right thing.
>>>>
>>>>Best regards,
>>>>Greg
>>>>
>>>>====================
>>>>Greg Hupe
>>>>The Hupe Collection
>>>>NaturesVault (eBay)
>>>>gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com
>>>>IMCA 3163
>>>>====================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "stan ." <laser_maniac_at_hotmail.com>
>>>>To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 7:38 PM
>>>>Subject: [meteorite-list] [ebay] ending in about 2 days
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>hello all....
>>>>>i have a handfull of ebay auctions running right now that end in about
>>>>>2 days. closing starting 19:00 PDT on monday the 16th. included in this
>>>>>grouping are some more great seymchans, a micro of nwa 2737 the
>>>>>chassignite, a nice shock veined shergotitte endcut, a new low TKW
>>>>>acapulcoite that is unpaired with the other ACAP material floating
>>>>>around recently, an angrite slice paired to nwa 2999/3164 that shows
>>>>>off translucent augite, an awsome piece of nwa 801 CR2, and a few more
>>>>>than i'm probably not remembering to mention.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZlaserprogramQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0?
>>>>>
>>>>>TIA!
>>>>>
>>>>>
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