[meteorite-list] Murchison Price Difference

From: M come Meteorite Meteorites <mcomemeteorite2004_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun Oct 8 11:56:38 2006
Message-ID: <20061005131749.82431.qmail_at_web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

mah...for me depend on rarity....I have just sold some
pieces of italian historical falls impossible to find
from Euro 200 to 400 for gram and all its go sold
immediatly, and I have other 2 slices of Siena under
the eyes of some collectors....to the face of who say
the historical falls its the same ordinary material
type the NWA....but I never have seen a slice of
Ensisheim sold for $10/gr. .......

Matteo

--- MexicoDoug <MexicoDoug_at_aim.com> ha scritto:

> Hi Martin, nice positive outlook!
>
> But, let's test these assumptions, just to temper it
> a little with an
> alternate economic scenario (Hi Doug of 2026,
> pleased to meet you and 2006
> sends you a warm greeting not to forget! Can you
> believe that Art's
> archive's are still available on the Meteorites Disk
> #23 for $250 each on
> neXtBay on the exoNet?)
>
> There are market swings.
>
> The USA enthusiasts are buoying the price of a
> deluge of meteorites to nice
> levels today given the flooded market. Just ask the
> German collectors.
>
> The USA suffers booms and busts throughout its
> economic history. A vote on
> perpetually increasing meteorite pricing is a vote
> of confidence in the US
> economy being the driver of the world, without any
> dips in the road to
> eternity. That's a nice thought. Forever consuming
> 35% of the world's
> electricity, drowning in petroleum etc.
>
> At some point there will be a bust. Maybe when the
> US Congress realizes
> that it's debt to equity ratio is worse than a third
> world country, or maybe
> when an entire burgeoning generation of aging
> Americans asks, where is my
> medical care? Where is my Social Security, and then
> some responsible fiscal
> planning starts.
>
> Then, Americans will discover German eBay and dump
> their meteorites there to
> buy their medications in legions of "can you help a
> brother" sales.
>
> And suddenly charitable Germans will come to the
> rescue. Hmmm. 1000
> collectors who would rather have an old piece of
> space rubble than a shining
> ingot of gold. That fall, ... hmmm ... two tons?
> Let's see. Each
> collector can have a couple of kilos. How much is a
> gram worth? Let German
> eBay figure it out. Unsatisfied, they will try to
> negotiate with the
> nouveau rich of a unified China. have you ever
> negotiated with them?
> They're a lot tougher than Germans...
>
> Oh yes, the "locked up in museums" defense. Maybe
> the Ensisheim Stone won't
> crack its shackles. Which other ones are so locked
> up...there must be a few
> less speculative investments no doubt, like that.
> But no
> guarantees...that's why its called business...
>
> Right now you can buy a gram of Eucrite for the
> price of a Big Mac
> hamburger. We can revisit that ratio when the US
> starts paying back $400
> billion for Iraq and faces high oil prices despite
> best intentions. Then we
> can see is a gram of Lunar meteorites can fill my
> gas tank. (or maybe 10
> grams a Russian's tank). Maybe Martians will be
> $10,000 per gram:) As long
> as gas isn't $200 per liter....
>
> Then I'll send you some Dutch tulip bulbs to start a
> garden. Have a cup of
> Earl Grey and reminisce about when a good marketer
> could painfully break
> even buying and selling meteorites.
>
> Meteorites are not rarer than antiques. They are not
> rarer than anything
> that can be described as unique. There are a lot of
> unique things out
> there.
>
> They are rocks with a great story. And we do just
> love them. Money and
> love don't always mix well, though. Sometimes when
> it rains it pours and
> when it is dry, it's parched as a bone. Speculating
> about speculating is
> quite a spectacle, economists are never wrong! The
> problem is when they
> really start believing what they say...and convince
> everyone else that
> forward looking statements in 10-K's are sure things
> ... and that 8-K's
> don't happen...
> Best wishes,
> Doug
> Above is fictitious scenario. No claims are made
> nor is it the intention to
> create expectations of "truth". The future is
> unpredictable. Scenario
> planning is simply a useful tool to understand and
> manage risks.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann_at_meteorite-martin.de>
> To: "'David Weir'" <dgweir_at_earthlink.net>;
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:44 AM
> Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Murchison Price
> Difference
>
>
> Each meteorite has its time.
>
> Nowadays the usual price for Murchison is 60-100$/g.
> 7-5 years ago it was at 50-100$/g.
> A German collector told me, that shortly after the
> fall, he sent a letter to
> Murchison enquiring about the circumstances of this
> new fall.
> A while later a parcel came back, with nice wording
> and because in Murchison
> they were so delighted, that somebody from such a
> far country paid attention
> to that fall, they added a 50g stone for free as a
> little thank you.
>
> It is very simple. Meteorites are the rarest good on
> Earth. If from a
> locales the lion share is once distributed, the
> prices are getting higher.
> The pattern with new falls nowadays is always the
> same. First there is a
> hype, many fear to miss out, the first one or two
> offerers make the price.
> Depending on the quantity available and the number
> of additional offerors
> getting access to the material, the price will fall.
> After a while, when most of the material is gone,
> the prices will raise
> again, not so seldom transcending the initial
> prices.
>
> To expect a meteorite offeror to give away his
> goodies at the all-time
> lowest price, is silly. In acquiring material, he
> has to bear also often the
> same price fluctuations as the collector too and
> anyway they are working
> with lower profit than your next Mom&Pop grocery
> shop around the corner.
> To expect a dealer to sell an Allende at 30cents/g,
> a Zagami at 50$/g or a
> Gibeon at 30$/kg, because in some golden days they
> were sold like this or to
> snigger at collectors, who are willing to purchase
> at higher prices today is
> so meaningful as to pay at present 30$/g for Campo
> because Ward and Cohen
> did so 100 years ago or to give 8$/g and 12$/g for
> Sikhote and Brahin as it
> was paid a dozen years ago or to spent 600$/g for a
> desert acapulcoite.
>
> The supply of meteoritical material is extremely
> limited, a fact of which
> many collectors, especially the newer ones aren't
> aware and in future only a
> very small fraction of that amount of material
> hitting the "market" in our
> fat years will be available.
> The comparably easy availability and the extreme low
> prices are solely
> caused by the evanescently small number of
> specialized collectors, the
> release of the new desert finds within a few years
> only and finally by the
> dedication of the professional and non-professional
> meteorite offerors.
>
> The transfiguration and praise of the good ol'
> Golden days I can't share.
> Certainly in the 70ies, 80ies and partially still in
> the 90ies locales today
> highly paid were cheap (but by far not all), but
> there were at the best not
> more than perhaps 200 different locales permanently
> available, we had a
> handful of offerors, the communication was slow and
> the possibility for a
> collector to compare prices was very limited.
>
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