[meteorite-list] ID cards

From: Meteoriteshow <meteoriteshow_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:32:50 +0100
Message-ID: <005201c7097b$54d808a0$0400a8c0_at_IBM>

Hi,
I guess that most of us are open to standardize meteorites' ID cards but I think that the main stage would be to standardize the
information that should be stated on such cards, when available of course.
The material that the card is made of is another issue and if we want to standardize this as well I'm quite sure that it won't reach
any complete agreement of each member of the community...
Here is a suggestion of what ID cards could mention:

- Name of the meteorite, with mention whether it is official (Nom Com) or not (personal name or working name, when not yet
classified or Nom Com approved)
- Type, as accurate as possible (could be an estimation such as "OC", etc when it is stated that the meteorite was not classified)
- Lab & sicentist who made the classification (when classified)
- Reference of Met Bul # & year (when classified)
- Place of find / fall, with if possible coordinates
- TKW
- Number of fragments
- Main scientific infos when classified (Fa% / Fs% for OCs, W, S, etc...)
- Specimen's weight
- Remarks (such as specimen's description -slice, endcut, individual, fragment...- or possible pairings, etc...)
- And of course the name of the collection it comes from (with infos such as website and e-mail addresses for instance)

All the best,

Frederic Beroud
http://www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)

----- Original Message -----
From: "mark ford" <markf at ssl.gb.com>
To: "David Weir" <dgweir at earthlink.net>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards


>
> Hi,
>
> I agree with you! This is a pet hate of mine too. We went through this
> loop a few years ago, discussion centered around the fact that important
> information is being lost when meteorite cards where either not passed
> on (or being replaced by another dealers card), or no information on
> them was ever forwarded to the 'end user'. and thus a great deal of
> provenance is lost (I know I have some old ex monnig/nininger and famous
> collection pieces in my collection, but most don't have any proof
> because they are new slices and no cards where issued - so that vital
> historical link is simply lost forever!
>
> I think that the paper/and card labels from the more well known people
> such as Mike and the Hupes etc, will usually be passed on if the piece
> is resold as these can actually add value (or add some sort of
> confidence factor) to the specimen (you may disagree, but who in their
> right mind would buy an unknown ebay lunar microspec that didn't at
> least come with a famous 'dealer named card' with it??)
>
> We also discussed the concept of 'a standardized meteorite card', like a
> passport, but simply just a sheet of paper/card with a standard set of
> information on it (origins, original size, type number, who's owned it,
> what was done to the slice (treatment etc), if the specimen was cut then
> the card is copied and each piece gets it's own passport with the info
> on. (Dealers could still make their own card too if they wanted, of
> course).
>
> The other point is that the info on cards often differs between dealers,
> sometimes not even a weight, or type is on it. A standard card would
> make sure pieces are properly described, it could be downloadable for
> all as a pdf of something.
>
> We even got to the stage of the IMCA asking for people to send in ideas
> for a standard card, but this didn't seem to materialize....?
>
> Mark Ford
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of David
> Weir
> Sent: 16 November 2006 10:47
> To: Meteorite List
> Subject: [meteorite-list] ID cards
>
> Dear List,
>
> I remember when dealers used to give ID cards that were actually made
> from card stock, or at least thick paper. Perhaps those who sell
> thousands of specimens a year figure their businesses can save a few
> dollars by going to flimsy paper for their ID cards, that's their
> business decision. I personally don't like these flimsy paper "cards"
> because they get bent and tear easily and just aren't compatible with
> the real cards that I receive from the vast majority of dealers. I am
> hesitant to pass these flimsy pieces of paper on to others when I trade
> away or sell different specimens because they just make the specimen
> seem cheap somehow, comparable to the cheap paper used. I just don't
> understand how any highly successful meteorite business selling in a
> worldwide market and trying to maintain a high standard of excellence
> can provide such crappy (as in cow crappy) ID papers. I find it hard to
> imagine a reason to do this, except of course if the cost of the card
> stock for the card would be a significant portion of the sales profit,
> such as in a Bessy speck. I'm not referring to that situation. I have
> never seen this issue brought up on the list before and so I am
> fearlessly bringing it up. Those who take offense are welcome to throw
> crap at me, I have my Tyvek suit on and really don't care. I just get
> tired of dealers calling flimsy paper IDs "ID Cards", but I'll get over
> it in a few minutes.
>
> David
> The Weir Meteorite Collection
> meteoritestudies .com
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