[meteorite-list] Alien red rain not in Spain

From: mark ford <markf_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Nov 15 06:04:45 2006
Message-ID: <6CE3EEEFE92F4B4085B0E086B2941B31658167_at_s-southern01.s-southern.com>

Hi,

My problem with the bat blood theory is the bulk elemental composition
doesn't seem to match what you would expect for a bunch red blood
cells!? (Correct me if I'm wrong!) Certain elements are more abundant
than you would expect, like more Aluminum than Iron in red blood???

The theory they where touting in the TV program as the counter argument
was that the bats had actually been exploded/vaporized by a comet/meteor
(clearly they got the wrong end of the stick there (or wanted to
discredit it!) - Rather than the hemorrhagic viruses type theory, which
I agree is a lot more credible!
 
Surely a simple protein/hemoglobin test for red blood cells would be
easy??? Or am I missing something?

Still stinks all this!

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Sterling K. Webb [mailto:sterling_k_webb_at_sbcglobal.net]
Sent: 15 November 2006 10:06
To: mark ford; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien red rain not in Spain

Hi, All,

Not Again?!
Alien Rain Grrrr!!!
Algae Grrrr!!!
Bat's blood?
Everything fits to the last detail!

    It is clear from Geoffrey Louis's own
micrographs that only one variety of material
is present, that it is of only one geometric type, and
that is of an erythrocyte (a red blood cell), which has
NO DNA. Louis denied DNA has been found until
very recently. Wickramasighne claims to have detected
it, but does so only to the press, and admits that his
co-workers in his own lab DO NOT agree with
him and independent labs cannot confirm the finding.
The amounts, if detected, are on the very edge of
detection error.
    These two sources dismiss bat blood:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_rain_in_Kerala
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/03/03/1427866.htm
    But their reasons for doing so is in error. They
imagine from usual characteristics of mammalian
blood in general that its red cells would dissolve in
rainwater, that blood lipids would be present (and
bat fragments!). But bat's blood is more than unusual;
it's dramatically unique, and it WOULD be preserved.
    But the fact that the cell-like particles are exactly the
size and of the exactly the geometric configuration as
red blood cells -- imaged micrographically they are
identical! -- is too much coincidence. THEY IN NO
WAY RESEMBLE ALGAE! (Mark, look at the
micrographs!)
    They're saying that here is evidence of something that
is INDISTINGUISHABLE from a red blood cell, but
it's REALLY an alien because it's too unlikely to be blood
from an earthly creature. Too unlikely? Is being an alien
invader somehow MORE likely?
    Silly. Silly. Silly.
    Yes, Wickramasinghe says he MAY have found
traces of DNA, but Geoffry Louis is adament that
there isn't any, and repeat tests by specialist labs
agree with that. (English university labs have samples
for nearly a year.)
    Louis himself released a claim that they "multiplied,"
but then refused to acknowledge it publically. He has
his supporters (Monica Grady for one), but his scientific
pronouncements are absurd. Now that they've met, Wicky
says he believes they multiply and Louis says they have
DNA. Duh. (We're so glad you boys are getting on so well.)
    The Indian government's identification of them as algae
spores is one more piece of bad science, something that
abounds in this case. Algae are full of DNA; that's what
spores ARE: DNA Delivery!)
    The visual identification of the cells as mammalian (rather
that avian or other) erythrocytes corresponds rather nicely
with the fact that there is a mammal that inhabits the atmosphere.
And I think we can all agree that bats can stay over a region
(for weeks or months) much longer than a comet!
    Signs of lousy science abound in this affair.
    Why no "bat parts"? Why only red blood cells?
What happened to the bats? The answer is a hemorrhagic
disorder. The tropics are rife with hemorrhagic diseases of
man and animal. Bats are very susceptible to such disorders,
it seems. Google "hemorrhagic diseases of bats" and you
get 78,700 hits. It's a long and nasty list of lyssaviruses,
hentaviruses, and there's several pages of scholarly articles
on "emerging" hemorrhagic diseases of bats at the very top
of that list.
    In case you're not familiar with the horrors of hemorrhagic
diseases, they cause bleeding from every conceivable (and
inconceivable) orifice of the body. Human hemorrhagic diseases
often cause the victim to literally sweat blood. Kerrala is home
to immense bat populations, in cluding the large vegetarian bats
(flying foxes) or macrochiropitae. An epidemic of bat hemorrhagic
disease is the explanation.
    The afflicted bats would bleed as they flew until they were
too weak to fly, whereipon they would die "at home," in the
cave or nook. No bat "parts" or "fragments" involved. Just
millions of sick bats dripping blood, vomiting blood, passing
blood, for weeks. Bat red cells, due to their unusual construction
and composition, persist in water for years (just as these have).
    End of story. Case complete. Aliens Go Home.
    This tale is not proof of anything but the human folly of
wanting to believe in something so badly that your brain goes
dead.


Sterling K. Webb
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----- Original Message -----
From: "mark ford" <markf_at_ssl.gb.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:21 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Alien red rain not in Spain




Alien Rain Grrrr!!! Don't get me started!!

Last night on BBC 2 (uk) a program called Horizon was shown, it was all
about whether we are descended from aliens (i.e. panspermia). It
featured Prof Godfey Louis and Prof Chandra Wickramasinghe and the now
famous 'Red rain'.

I have to say I have never seen such a biased TV program in my life, it
was ridiculous. The only real counter argument was from someone who they
made to look stupid, by dodgey camera work.

Frankly it made me really angry. They just slid in the little fact that
they have now found DNA in the red rain but it was basically buried
under all the 'Alien hype'. HELLO THERES DNA this probably means it's
terrestrial!!! Wake up - Idiots.

Red rain is Algal the algae experts know it very well (it's documented),
but conveniently the makers of this program decided to overlook this and
insinuated that the only real counter argument was the 'bat blood
theory' (which of course is equally ridiculous). They even dredged up
the one about Bugs in Murchison!! C'mon, you can't buy a slice on ebay
and snap it in half then be supprised when you see bugs in it - its
called 'contamination' - get used to it.

I am writing to the broadcasting standards authority about this program,
it was imho verging on being a biased and almost a fabricated
documentary!! No proper perspective was given.

It's disappointing that millions of people will now have the false
impression that life probably came from space, when there is a
ridiculous amount of evidence that we evolved right here on Earth from
scratch, and NONE so far to say w,e (the seeds of life) arrived from
space, you still have the argument where did life start in space? Surley
it makes more sense to evolve life in a cosy earth like atmosphere with
all the basic ingredients at hand, than in the hostile hell that is
outer space?? Acoms razor and all that.

Is it me or does this Panspermia debate have over tones of religion to
it? They want to believe it so much that they start to only see what
they want to see. I have no problem with their being other life out
there, but !!!

{Rant off}

Mark

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[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of doctor
death
Sent: 14 November 2006 20:16
To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien red rain not in Spain

BBC News story on "Searching for 'our Alien Origins'"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6146292.stm
Received on Wed 15 Nov 2006 05:56:41 AM PST