AW: [meteorite-list] Collector Card vs Casket

From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Nov 2 03:58:07 2006
Message-ID: <20061102085805.31409.qmail_at_web36914.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Marten -

I think that at 10E, lunar cuttings would do extremely
well, if they are in the little plastic cases. My hope
is that your "crumbs" do even better.

Please let us know how sales go - I hope you don't get
too much snow.

have a good show,
Ed

--- Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteorite-martin.de>
wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> if you look on our page, there you will find that
> 95$ is the price for the
> boxes with a specimen of size "L" like "Large".
>
> (Btw. Doug, the size cube has a metric 1ccm, I don't
> know how enormous dust
> grains must be in Mexico..).
>
> On the same page, you'll find also cases of size
> "S", which cost only 45$.
> (and which do have the advantage, that if the name
> of the vendor would be
> one forgotten, that the sample stays still
> identifiable as it's no dust).
>
> And we produced also some of size "XS", still not
> containing dust, but
> larger crumbs. Those we didn't advertised there,
> cause we'll need them for
> the kids on the show and to fill our coffee kitty
> there. They will be priced
> around 10Euro-15$, I guess certainly not to
> expensive to be used as gifts..
>
> And keep in mind, that they contain Moon. The most
> expensive type of all.
> If you think about, that Mars costs a third or a
> quarter of such a lunaite
> and we roughly priced them by weight - you may
> estimate the price of such
> boxes L, M, S, if we produce them with Mars.
>
> Uuuh, here on the outskirts of Munich it started to
> snow!!!!
> Martin
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com]
> Im Auftrag von E.P.
> Grondine
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. November 2006 22:53
> An: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Collector Card vs
> Casket
>
> Hi -
>
> My take on this so far:
>
> On Hupe's cards, in as much as the dealers are
> clearly
> identified, and the dust's provenience, there is no
> doubt as to authenticity, and it is nice to see the
> vendors/finders/preparers recognized.
>
> The $95 dollar samples are nicely packaged for
> collectors, but too expensive for gifts to children.
>
> Moon and Mars dust in these packages would be fine.
>
> To those dealers who are jealous, remember that
> those
> children are likely to be your customers when they
> grow up.
>
> Also, I would like to remind everyone of Nininger's
> bubble books which he sold from his shop at
> Barringer
> Crater. Who here would not like to have one of those
> today? (I keep dreaming that some day I'll show up
> at
> a yardsale, and one of them will be sitting there
> for
> me unrecognized.) It's nice to know that something
> similar exists for children (and the young at heart)
> today.
>
> I think this is a very good development, my best
> wishes to all in their new ventures, and
>
> good hunting,
> Ed
>
> --- MexicoDoug <MexicoDoug_at_aim.com> wrote:
>
> > Martin wrote:
> > "Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) Collector Card
> > Series vs Chladni
> > Casketseries Pepsi vs Coke"
> >
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > "Casketseries?" :-) Is this a post-Halloween
> > commercial?!!
> >
> > I enter "Chladni Clastics".
> >
> > Good luck to all of you with the Mortadellan
> > meteorites (EU protected
> > geographic label, IGP) ...
> >
> > I thought the cutting dirt was used to brew beer
> or
> > send to underpriviledged
> > Romanian orphans or something, :-( ... For the
> > competition, it tolls better
> > than "Looney Dirt Caskets" ... no true Lunaitic
> can
> > leave home and live
> > without one!
> >
> > Also you can distribute them to trick-or-treaters
> > instead of delicious
> > slices, la grassa can effectively form Chladni
> > clastics in Mortadella di
> > Bologna, or Moon Jello, so at night they can put
> > them under a pillow at
> > night and unknown to the innocents shall become
> > possessed get a full Moon,,,
> > Nyya ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaahhhhh ... anyway
> > those are my marketing
> > concepts ...
> >
> > Saludos or Suerte,
> > Haro's Heirs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Martin Altmann"
> <altmann_at_meteorite-martin.de>
> > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:44 AM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) Collector Card
> Series
> > vs Chladni Casketseries
> > Pepsi vs Coke
> >
> >
> > Hiho list,
> >
> > the preparations for the Munich show are in full
> > swing, first collectors and
> > dealers arrived.
> > Now I found the Hupe`s Collectors Cards advertised
> > here and I can't
> > understand the grief expressed about them by some
> > voices, nor do we join the
> > chorus, also we introduced 10 days ago our form of
> a
> > collectors series with
> > planetary material.
> > www.chladnis-heirs.com/special.html
> >
> > You have to keep in mind, that those cards, like
> the
> > Hup?s produced, do not
> > primarily address to the meteorite collectors
> > audience, but they are
> > qualified to arouse the interest of laymen, who
> will
> > get so for the first
> > time in contact with meteorites.
> >
> > Our job as dealers is not only to sell meteorites
> > and to make money, to make
> > accessible new and old localities and types to the
> > established meteorite
> > collectors, but also to reach people, who never
> > heard about meteorites, to
> > lead and guide newbies and new collectors to that
> > field of collecting and to
> > propagate and to popularize our fascinating hobby!
> >
> > Why do you thing e.g. Robert Haag is a living
> > legend? Because he collected
> > and sold meteorites? Certainly not, others do so
> too
> > - but he was a showman,
> > using all opportunities to transport his
> enthusiasm
> > and the breathtaking
> > aspect of meteorites.
> >
> > So what the heck is wrong with such funny cards?
> > They are a nice gimmick,
> > and it's obsolete to discuss, whether the cutting
> > dust inside has a
> > scientific relevance or of which collector's value
> > such "samples" may be.
> >
> > The important thing is, that every layman, who
> will
> > get such a card in his
> > hands, certainly won't put in the drawer as it is,
> > but will start to learn
> > about meteorites and will try to find out more
> about
> > the stuff,
> > so that such a card can be the initial ignition to
> > be a meteorite collector!
> >
> > Well, for those specialized collectors not content
> > in receiving only some
> > dust and for those don't having the humour to
> > recognize, that not the dust,
> > but the cards per se as curiosity are collectible
> > items,
> > there exist our Chladni-Cases, where we used
> > substantial specimens to fill
> > them.
> > They are no cards, but real display boxes,
> > containing samples, often with
> > cut surfaces, which are more representative for
> the
> > stone used.
> > In this respect they certainly address not only to
> > laymen, but also to
> > meteorite collectors - and they'll offer the
> > opportunity for the low and
> > lowest budget collectors - and many of them
> lament,
> > that meteorite
> > collecting is an expensive passion - to assemble
> not
> > only "names" and
> > "numbers" squired by a few molecules of that find
> or
> > fall, but to own at
> > least a piece, wherefore they don't need a
> > microscope to enjoy it,
> > - to say it more simple: They are macroscopic
> > micromounts.
> >
> > For laymen they are more attractive, cause with
> the
> > different pictoral
> > motives they're designed more eye-catching than
> bare
> > membrane boxes or small
> > gem cases - the sizes are standardized, so that
> the
> > collector hasn't the
> > problem to cope with boxes of different sizes and
> > appearances and specimen-
> > and description cards flying all around, but will
> be
> > able to display his
> > collection nicely and neatly.
> > (We will offer later trays, into which one can
> stick
> > the boxes and where one
> > can store them easily or one can hang the trays on
> > the walls for display).
> > And depending on the success and the acceptance of
> > that idea, we may issue
> > collector's albums containing information about
> > those meteorites or booklets
> > with texts and pictures about those localities.
> Hey,
> > that's fun!
> > Thus a new and educative and inexpensive form of
> > meteorite collecting is
> > born.
> > Additionally in collecting those Chladni-Cases of
> > course one will have the
> > extra-kick of all the typical mechanism of
> > collecting, in keeping the
> > collection complete, in filling the gaps, in
> trading
> > and swapping ect.
> >
> > Now of course the moaners will jump out of the
> > bushes and will scream and
> > blame us to destroy the most beautiful specimens,
> > pieces ect for the only
> > purpose to satisfy our commercial greed.
> > To those I have to say, that we are competent
> enough
> > to preserve those
> > specimens worthy to be preserved - and by the way
> > those always being the
> > first in pointing with the fingers on sellers of
> > micromounts, are often
> > exactly those, who, if one offer large sized
> slices
> > or whole stones, will
> > shrug their shoulders and never will buy, telling,
> > oh it's to large for me
> > or will suggest prices far below a dealer's buying
> > price - as meteorite
> > dealers would have the ethical obligation to work
> > for no pay as Mothers
> > Theresae.
> >
> > Anyway - the Hupes told you the amount of time and
> > money to produce such
> > nice little items - our boxes are handcrafted too,
> > the boxes, the designed
> > inlays do cost, to produce them is a job of
> > enthusiasts and not of
> > calculating economists. - Which you'll easily able
> > to relate to, if you
> > check the prices and the weights of the boxed
> > samples.
> > Btw that's the reason, why we don't have to fear
> > plagiarism, cause producing
> > such boxes isn't directly profitable.
> > Money we make with larger pieces, to offer such
> > sized and designed
> > meteoritical collectibles is our service to the
> > small collector, whose
> > enthusiasm for meteorites is in no way inferior to
> > the addiction of the big
> > collectors - (often because they aren't spoiled
> with
> > material they are by
> > far not so blunted than the latter, but really
> enjoy
> > each of their pieces,
> > as small it may be compared to the
> > museum-size-collectors. Keep the fire
> > burning!).
> >
> > Now our first series of 2 lunaites are issued, we
> > chose an Apollo-design,
> > the first orders and requests prove, that we hit
> the
> > nail right on the head,
> > dealers from other branches asked to buy large
> > quantities. Tomorrow we'll
> > start to offer them on the Munich fair and we're
> > thrilled to see the
> > reactions of those people, who never heard about
> > meteorites and lunaites.
> >
> > Of course we won't throw our fine full- and
> > partslice in the shredder to
> > satisfy the demand, the edition is limited.
> > (If you still want a box, you've to tell asap, for
> > us putting one aside on
> > the show for you and be patient, it can take a
> while
> > until you hear back, as
> > we're all on the show now).
> > More series, not only of planetary material, but
> > also of historic falls ect.
> > will follow.
> >
> > I still have to remind you, that the naming
> > competition hasn't finished yet.
> > Find a name for those boxes and win a lunar box
> size
> > M, S, XS!
> > Decision we will make after the show on Monday.
> >
> > And here they are!
> > www.chladnis-heirs.com/special.html
> >
> >
> > All the Best!
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
> >
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com]
> > Im Auftrag von Adam
> > Hupe
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. November 2006 06:32
> > An: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> > Betreff: [meteorite-list] New Collector Card
> Series
> >
> > Thanks Ed,
> >
> > Stonehenge was selected as an icon because it is a
> > well-known ancient
> > observatory where both the Lunar and Maritain
> cycles
> > were witnessed among
> > other celestial bodies. As a matter of fact, the
> > table stone in the center
> > of Stonehenge is used to track the Moon.
> >
> > I have had outside interest in mass producing a
> > similar series but this
> > simply isn't possible. There is no automated way
> of
> > depositing the aliquot
> > in the sample bay due to variability so this was
> > done manually, a very time
> > consuming process. Also, the scarcity of planetary
> > material available to
> > such a project would not allow for mass
> production.
> > I priced all of the
> > cards the same although my costs exceeded that of
> > production in a few cases.
> >
> > The Artwork alone added a considerable amount to
> my
> > costs. The nice thing
> > is that I got a new logo out of the deal.
> >
> > I only produced 50 of each to see what happens.
> In
> > all honesty, any revenue
> >
> > generated by this project will come no where near
> > close to offsetting the
> > costs of cutting loses. I just thought it would be
> a
> > fun project and a good
> > way to distribute small fragments/cutting dust in
> a
> > presentable package. It
> > took me over 5 years to collect sterile cutting
> dust
> > or small fragments from
> >
> > 12 different planetary meteorites. It is the least
> > expensive way for many to
> >
> > actually own a piece of the Moon or Mars, assemble
> > an SNC set or own a piece
> >
> > of both the Highlands and Mare regions of the Moon
> > plus I think they are
> > cool!
> >
> > Take Care,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
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