[meteorite-list] Re: The other Brenham hunter

From: R. N. Hartman <rhartman04_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat May 13 20:19:50 2006
Message-ID: <005501c676ec$218aecf0$6401a8c0_at_ronij3wi4b7cpv>

Case in point: I was the first person to decide to search Dry Lakes for
meteorites, and this turned up the Lucerne Dry Lake (CA) finds, the initial
find on July 21, 1963. No one else seemed to very much care about hunting
on Dry Lakes then. Many hours were spent searching a number of Dry Lakes in
California, and several overlapping finds were discovered on Lucerne.
(Documentation on my Lucerne website; follow the link to my meteorite
website at the top of my homepage at www.membranebox.com and then to the
Lucerne DryLake Research website). Its all there along with the preliminary
announcement as it appeared in METEORITICS.

Finally, about 35 years later others got the idea, and from the success on
Lucerne, virtually all dry lakes in Ca, NV and AZ have now been searched
square foot by square foot and over searched again and again. This has
yielded more science about the properties of on dry lake resurfacing than
even about the many meteorites found on them. We have learned some of the
reasons why and how the DL surfaces change over time, and some of the
dynamics involved in movement of material to and around on their surfaces.
We have learned why a meteorite may not be visible on the surface of a dry
lake, but years later may appear. We have learned that in most cases there
are overlapping fields; (even on LDL there are more overlapping fields than
on any other dry lake so far searched...H's. L's, LL's CK4's, etc. This has
given us some ideas about the actual abundances of fallen meteorites on
Earth in terms of overlapping falls...if ever we could find them in less
obvious places.) Am I to complain because someone else decided to follow
my initial idea? Of course not! First of all it is not my property.
Secondly, more hunting by more people has yielded more science. For decades
meteorites have been found around the site of the Haviland Crater. In 1983
Haag and others found some very big meteorites there with dish detectors.
Perhaps noone got the idea that deep searching detectors might be a good
idea, and I'm sure that such are much improved now, but on the other hand a
land owner has every right to manage his land as he sees fit. Who was the
first to go to Morocco? (I will answer my own question!) Cottingham and
Farmer. Was it worng for everyone else to follow? Not at all (although it
might have been better for the good of meteoritics if there had been some
organization and a few ground rules). So it seems to me that any
complaining about someone hunting on his own land is nonproductive...really
a bit silly!

My opinion!

Ron Hartman


From: "Pete Pete" <rsvp321_at_hotmail.com>
To: <h3chondrite_at_cox.net>; <geoking@notkin.net>;
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: The other Brenham hunter


> Wouldn't the analogy be more related to a gold rush, rather than the
> insinuated plagiarism?
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
>
>
> From: JKGwilliam <h3chondrite_at_cox.net>
> To: "Notkin" <geoking_at_notkin.net>,"Meteorite List"
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: The other Brenham hunter
> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:13:59 -0700
>
> Geoff,
> Your link to www.BrenhamMeteoriteCompanyClone.com is broken - I can't get
it
> to load.
>
> Seriously, don't you think that someone was going to do just what Mr.
> Stimpson has done? This world is full of people who lack creativity,
vision
> and character. When they see someone else producing a successful
enterprise
> they hustle to find a way to swipe a slice of the pie.
> Imitation surely is the sincerest form of flattery...but most folks of
> character recognize it for what it really is. Don't you remember all the
> copies of the Hula Hoop?
>
> Best,
>
> JKGwilliam
>
>
> At 09:21 PM 5/11/2006, Notkin wrote:
> >Darren posted:
> >
> >>Meteorites mark fields of dreams
> >>By Judy Keen, USA TODAY
> >
> >
> >Sorry, I cannot help making fun of this : )
> >
> >So . . . I propose that we change the name of Kiowa County, KS to Copycat
> >County, KS.
> >
> >My article on Steve's Brenham finds in the (current) February issue of
> >"Meteorite" is entitled: "Field of Dreams: Rediscovering the Brenham
> >Pallasite." Notice any similarity to "Meteorites Mark Fields of Dreams"?
> >
> >Steve, you showed Keen the current issue of "M" during your interview
> >right? What a shameless swipe! The real headline here should be: "USA
Today
> >Journalist Unable to Come Up with Original Story Idea."
> >
> >
> >>Don Stimpson peers into a 3-foot-deep hole on his farm as
> >>friends help dig up a 150-pound meteorite. "Interesting shape," he says.
> >>The new
> >>find will join the collection of meteorites sitting on foil-covered
chairs
> >>in his garage.
> >
> >Well, at least he knows how to to display them properly.
> >
> >Stimpson (owner of the land which contains the Brenham "crater") has been
> >doing little or nothing to locate new Brenham pallasites during the past
> >ten years. Once Steve and Phil figured out how to find the deeply-buried
> >Brenhams with new techniques and technology, Stimpson copied them, and
has
> >been trying to jump on their bandwagon ever since. It's unfortunate that
> >Steve did all the groundbreaking work at Brenham, yet this journalist
> >decided to focus on the hapless Stimpson.
> >
> >
> >>He'd like to give tours of his excavation sites, where small plastic
> >>swimming pools cover the impressions made when the meteorites
> >
> >Gee, I can't wait to see that. A plastic swimming pool cover will surely
> >allow visitors to experience the full excitement of unearthing a
meteorite.
> >Maybe he could have little newts swimming around in the pools as well.
And
> >everyone could wear those caps with the funny propellors.
> >
> >I expect Stimpson will now get to work on his new website:
> >www.BrenhamMeteoriteCompanyClone.com
> >
> >My Mom always used to tell me that imitation was the sincerest form of
> >flattery. I just call it laziness.
> >
> >
> >Geoff N.
> >www.aerolite.org
> >
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