[meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairings Issues (SPPI)

From: Meteoriteshow <meteoriteshow_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat May 6 06:09:16 2006
Message-ID: <00a401c670f5$20287aa0$0400a8c0_at_IBM>

I 100% agree with you Rob.

Frederic Beroud
http://www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob McCafferty" <rob_mccafferty_at_yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:42 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairings Issues (SPPI)


> I know better than to get involved in this discussion
> but I am going to anyway
>
> > there are no 'rules' when it comes to offering
> > material for sale (other than
> > not violating copyrights). The NomCom, the IMCA and
> > Adam Hupe are NOT
> > regulatory bodies who have the authority to police
> > the hobby/industry nor
> > make binding resolutions that must be followed.
>
> That's a fair point Stan but as someone new to this
> game, I appreciate there being a a body out there who
> are trying to make sure the little guy isn't getting
> ripped off. Now I'm not so naive to think that there
> are purely altruistic reasons for this, I can think of
> several hedonistic, though justifiable reasons
> immediately and a couple of cynical ones too but I'm
> trying to get kids interested in our hobby (livelyhood
> for a lot of you) and I don't want them spending money
> on junk when there is a way to be sure you're getting
> the real deal and the IMCA are helping in that regard.
> I don't believe anyone is objecting to this. I suspect
> they are angry at some self appointed body with no
> real legal authority throwing its weight around. Now
> as meteorite enthusiasts, we know a lot of damage can
> be done when weight is thrown around the universe.
> Maybe IMCA et al have not been very delicate in the
> past I really don't know as it hasn't effected me. I
> occasionally wonder why some people may be angry and
> suspect a lack of subtlty is to blame. Or maybe not.
>
> > It
> > should be up to the collector to decide if the
> > dealer's judgement is
> > sufficent guarantee as to the identity of a
> > prospective purchase.
>
> And this is the whole point of why I support Adam's
> original mail. A 14 year old kid buying his first
> meteorite may not have the skills or judgement to make
> a properly informed decision. We can always tell them
> to go to a dealer but ebay is such a convenient shop
> window and I reckon I've taken a few bargains from it
> which may have cost far more direct from a dealer.
>
> Words such as "likely", "I believe", "in my opinion"
> are unhelpful at best. I may not agree that terming
> something as a "likely pairing" is tantamount to theft
> but I'm seeing it from a different position. My home
> doesn't depend on it.
>
> I'm not taking sides, I won't get involved in one of
> the petty discussions that sometimes occur when this
> type of subject comes up. It's why I feel my getting
> involved is against all my better judgement and if
> someones going to give me abuse over my point of view
> I'm going to have to take it for being stupid enough
> to open my mouth.
> I seldom agree with the opinions of the "bigger boys"
> in the business and I wouldn't expect that I would.
> However, on this occasion I feel so strongly that I
> really must make a comment on behalf of the nobodies.
> I dread the day one of my students comes in with a
> lump of junk they bought and are so proud of what they
> think is a meteorite and clearly isn't or saved up for
> a Martian rock which turns out to be an ordinary
> chondrite.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to read my opinion
>
> Rob McCafferty
>
>
>
> --- "stan ." <laser_maniac_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > >Collectors are entitled to official material or at
> > the very least
> > >provisional if the rules are being adhered to.
> > *snip* The rules have been
> > >clear
> > >for the last two years and to continually violate
> > them will only serve to
> > >undermine collector confidence.
> >
> > there are no 'rules' when it comes to offering
> > material for sale (other than
> > not violating copyrights). The NomCom, the IMCA and
> > Adam Hupe are NOT
> > regulatory bodies who have the authority to police
> > the hobby/industry nor
> > make binding resolutions that must be followed.
> >
> > Collectors are entitled to DISCLOSURE. There is
> > nothing wrong with saying 'I
> > belive this material to be paired to xxx' because a
> > dealer who says that is
> > giving his customer information to use in making a
> > purchasing decision. It
> > should be up to the collector to decide if the
> > dealer's judgement is
> > sufficent guarantee as to the identity of a
> > prospective purchase. If a
> > collector wants to buy only 'offical' material thats
> > fine, if the collector
> > doesnt mind buying unofficial material that is fine
> > too.
> >
> > To suggest otherwise is like saying any coin dealer
> > who sells anything but
> > pcgs slabs is out to screw his customers - in short,
> > BS.
> >
> >
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