[meteorite-list] Clowns . was Self Proclaimed Pairings Issues (SPPI)

From: Rob Wesel <nakhladog_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat May 6 00:20:17 2006
Message-ID: <01ca01c670c4$5e1df3c0$59681618_at_robewcufk0z2s3>

Perhaps the term should be "Officially Sorted By A Scientist Over A Few
Beers" or "OSBASOAFB's"

Just what could Dr Irving do in the field that I can't do in my office. Did
he have his field SEM with him, his field ion microprobe, his field
polarascope? Or was he a fish out of water without his lab relying on you to
tell him what was and wasn't a meteorite?

And the MetSoc has no position on selling meteorites yet, though members
have been buying this material.

Jeff Grossman's own unedited words (he is the NomCom chair Adam if you are
not familiar with his work):

"On the question of pairing... for most meteorites, pairing studies are of
little scientific interest and not worth taking the time to do. Visual
pairings are almost worthless. For the important meteorites, pairings get
worked out in the scientific literature over time. This may be unsettling
for some dealers, but that's the way it is."

So apply that to your "cutting parties" and the serious pairing work that
goes on Adam.

I could take these down to Cascadia tomorrow and say "whaddya think" and it
would be no less official than yours.

and finally from Dr Grossman:

" It is acceptable and routine, however, for people to make statements
indicating that various numbered stones may be paired (although I would be
cautious about believing such statements unless they appear in the Bulletin
or other scientific publications)."

So don't proclaim IMCA standards as MetSoc/NomCom standards to me.

Enough was said earlier, you had to open it again.

And you bring up number borrowing, I paid for 20% of the cost to get NWA
1877 classified so it is just as much mine as yours.

Cheap, lazy, thieving, Clown...out :0)

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairings Issues (SPPI)


> The excuse that I have 3,000 pieces of what looks like the same stone
> won't
> fly. As I stated before, every piece of NWA 1110 was examined by a Nom
> Com
> approved scientist. NWA 3118, which consisted of thousands of pieces was
> thoroughly gone through by Dr. Irving in the field, in Morocco. Dr. Bunch
> literally went through over 2,000 lbs. of my material in Denver taking
> three
> days to do so. Scientists help me to sort material at cutting parties.
> For
> the most part, they seem more than willing to go through large batches of
> material. I have a new find consisting of several thousand pieces that
> with
> the help of Dr. Irving were sorted out and classified. Which would you
> rather have, a self proclaimed pairing or pieces that have been examined
> by
> a competant scientist?
>
> I am not trying to police any market, just stating that the standards set
> by
> the I.M.C.A. and the Meteoritical Society serve a very important purpose.
> Every other industry seems to have standards in place, why not meteorites?
> If you agree to be a member of the I.M.C.A. you also agree to the
> standards
> set forth by the Meteoritical Society. A dealer who operates without
> standards is nothing more than a clown as far as I am concerned.
>
> Enough Said,
>
> Adam
>
>
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