AW: Re: AW: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Possible meteorite fall in Northeast Brazil (forwarded message from Wilton Caravalho)

From: Dr. Svend Buhl <info_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Mar 10 11:25:01 2006
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so why did you refer in your post to the event in Northeast Brazil? Santa Vitoria do Palmar is situated in Southeast Brazil, the completely other end?

And as I said, three individuals of SVP have been found by different people. If you are talking to some other person involved in this issue and this person does not want to sell you any of his material, well this makes sense, at least it sounds comprehensible to me.

I arrived to the point that the reason for your continuing struggle to declare the non-existance of the SVP meteorite is simply motivated by the fact, that noone wants to sell it to you. If that is true I will abort the discussion at this point.

Svend

tired of getting the facts straight for you



Matteo wrote:

>no no its this, he have show me the same material
>appear in the last meteorite pics of this meteorite
>and this is a email from a person have speack with the
>real founder of the meteorite
>
>Really that person this lying, I entered in contact
>with the person that found the meteorite, and that
>person was angry to the knowledge of that history.
>The meteorite really exists, he was found by an
>arqueologista in the city of Santa Vitoria do Palmar,
>and this being analyzed and it will probably receive
>that name. But he told me that won't sell any fragment
>of the meteorite. If some person to offer some
>Brazilian meteorite with that name, don't buy, it is
>false or it is lie.
>
>
>Matteo
>
>
>--- "Dr. Svend Buhl" <info_at_niger-meteorite-recon.de>
>ha scritto:
>
>> Matteo,
>>
>> Sen?r Lautaro Correia had nothing to do with the
>> report on the Bahia event as you could have easily
>> found out by re-reading the post you are referring
>> to. Sen?r Correia is the finder of one of three
>> masses of the Santa Vitoria do Palmar meteorite.
>> This is a completely different location, a
>> completely different event.
>>
>> The initial post on the Bahia event that you are
>> referring to was sent in by list mmeber by Mark Van
>> Tomme. If you re-read his post you will notice that
>> he never claimed that any material was recovered.
>>
>> You again preferred to renew your disrespectful
>> attacks instead of consulting the list archive. This
>> effort would have cost you a few seconds.
>>
>> Svend
>>
>> >How it is wanted demonstrator, Wilton its another
>> >expert of brasilian meteorites...now we waith the
>> >answer of mr.Lautaro seen its in this list.
>> >
>> >Matteo
>> >
>> >--- Mark Van Tomme <markvantomme_at_yahoo.com> ha
>> >scritto:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hi Mark,
>> >>
>> >> Would you please post this message for me.
>> >>
>> >> It seems I am facing a problem with messages I
>> send
>> >> which are not being
>> >> posted.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Wilton
>> >> Message to be posted:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Do meteorites start fires?
>> >>
>> >> By 7:00 PM, last Monday, a fireball was seen
>> >> "exploding" over a rural
>> >> area
>> >> in Brazil. Next day the Press just aired and
>> wrote
>> >> that a meteorite
>> >> felt and
>> >> set at least five fires in a large area close by
>> a
>> >> highway.
>> >>
>> >> Until now no fragments of meteorite or space junk
>> >> has
>> >> been found.
>> >>
>> >> Yesterday, Wednesday, I have been at the site and
>> >> found only ash,
>> >> burned
>> >> trees and bushes. Local people are searching the
>> >> area.
>> >> One of them
>> >> found a
>> >> "stone with a black coating" which was promptly
>> >> photographed and
>> >> published
>> >> by newspapers as a meteorite. I examined a
>> fragment
>> >> of
>> >> that stone and
>> >> found
>> >> that it is just sandstone. No doubt about that:
>> two
>> >> geologists also
>> >> have the
>> >> same opinion after examined the sample I got from
>> >> the
>> >> finder. There is
>> >> no
>> >> crater at all. Just a hole 29 cm long and 40 cm
>> deep
>> >> where nothing was
>> >> found.
>> >>
>> >> I believe that meteorites do not start a fire as
>> >> Nininger wrote in the
>> >> book
>> >> Ask a question about meteorites (1961, 1969 pages
>> 8
>> >> and 9)
>> >>
>> >> "Meteorites do not start fires even when they
>> fall
>> >> into some easily
>> >> combustible material such as dry grass or straw.
>> >> Meteorites do not
>> >> reach the
>> >> ground in blazing condition.* (The one exception
>> to
>> >> this rule is the
>> >> extremely rare crater-forming meteorite which is
>> so
>> >> huge that it
>> >> resists the
>> >> braking effect of atmospheric friction and
>> explodes
>> >> upon reaching the
>> >> earth."
>> >>
>> >> I will visit the site again next Sunday looking
>> for
>> >> evidences that the
>> >> fires
>> >> people saw just after the fireball almost silent
>> >> "explosion" were not
>> >> started by a meteorite fall.
>> >>
>> >> Is there any occurence of meteorites which
>> started
>> >> fires?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Mark Van Tomme" <markvantomme_at_yahoo.com>
>> >> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:48 PM
>> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible meteorite fall
>> in
>> >> Northeast Brazil
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,below is the link to a brazilian site
>> >> reporting
>> >> on a possible meteorite fall yesterday in the
>> town
>> >> of
>> >> Santo Ant?nio de Jesus,State of Bahia,Northeast
>> >> Brazil.
>> >> It's in Portuguese sorry but it basically says
>> that
>> >> a
>> >> "fireball" has created a crater and caused panic
>> >> among
>> >> the population and that the local astronomical
>> club
>> >> was looking for samples.
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil/interna/0,,OI908174-EI306,00.html
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >> Mark Van Tomme
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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