AW: [meteorite-list] ebay sniping

From: joseph_town_at_att.net <joseph_town_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Jun 23 21:02:39 2006
Message-ID: <062420060007.4704.449C8241000A97520000126021612436460299019BA1089F0A9C0106_at_att.net>

Martin,

Please stop these lectures. I will decide when to buy this or that. You're beginning to sound like a meteorite dealer.

Bill


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann_at_meteorite-martin.de>
> Hi all too,
>
> but Ken, if all are using sniper programs and those programs bid the maximum
> bid in the last moment, what happens then?
>
> Ebay is also entertainment, it's more thrilling to snipe manually (aside it
> has more sportsmanship).
> I never used sniper software - and I have to say, that method saves the most
> money. If an auction is ending at a for me unfavourable day- or nighttime
> and I miss it, I shrug - I have saved money. If a sniper program user is
> faster than me and I don't win, again: a saved penny is an earned penny.
> There will be always a new opportunity.
>
> "you won't be in business for long by giving the stuff away."
>
> Yep, that's what one can observe during the last 2 years. More and more
> dealers have to give up. The diversification of the supply is shrinking,
> not so many offerors, especially the semiprofessional dealers or the
> collectors using ebay for sales can afford a mixed calculation to literally
> give away pieces on ebay and to compensate the losses with other overpaid
> results.
> Another effect is, that the offerors in ebay have to suit on the
> affectations of the ebay-clients or to say it clearly only to offer there
> stuff, which they get reasonably paid.
> Result is that the diversity of the supply on ebay suffers.
> Take a look - at least 70% of all meteorite auctions on ebay, I'd say, are
> always the same mass locales and/or to say it harshly: lousy crap, the
> quality of preparation is on average worse than that, what you get from a
> regular dealer and rarer or interesting types and historical falls you find
> often only as microcrumbs.
> Reason: Most sellers have to avoid to offer more superior specimens there,
> cause they would be paid below their own costs.
> But ebay is only one segment. More money certainly is to make for dealers
> with a broad assortment beyond ebay.
>
> Funny is also the psychology behind ebay, the blind trust of not so few,
> that ebay would be always the cheapest way to get the stuff and thus many
> never are buying at regular prices from a webdealer.
> Shall I tell you a secret? I'm meanwhile a specialist in finding out
> locales, which are not so frequently offered on ebay and I buy them from
> dealers. In buying from them I never haggle, some give me a little discount,
> some not - the buying price simply doesn't matter at all anymore. The stuff
> is often rotting on their pages for several years and everybody, who has an
> internet access could buy it - but they don't, because they are ebay
> aficionados and they simply need the feeling of security, that they didn't
> paid a to high price there, because there was at least one person, who was
> willing to pay quite the same price.
> The stuff I buy I set on ebay at 1$. Until now it never happened, that I got
> out for a locales less than twice as much as I paid, when I bought it at the
> regular price. Depending from my absolute buying per gram price, I get out
> in most cases 3-5 times my buying price, my personal best is 22times.
>
> That's why I love ebay as a seller.
> Scruples I had initially, but especially in Germany in the last 2 years the
> collectors didn't want to buy at my regular prices anymore, but despite they
> had my price lists, where they could order the stuff without stress, they
> didn't, but whenever I set a piece from my list into ebay, just those
> clients, who could read from the list, what my price is, paid 10-200% more.
> A funny example: I had a very fresh Ochansk fragment, nice brecciation, I
> offered it at 4Euro/g (quite o.k., I checked all dealers prices and average
> Ochansk price was 8.5$/g) to two clients. They refused, obviously the price
> was not suitable for them. When I wanted to put the piece back in his box,
> it slipped out of my hands, a corner broke off. Well, I packed the corner in
> a display box, made some photos listed it on ebay.
> Next Sunday there a bidding race happened between two bidders. The outcome
> for the little Ochansk chunk was incredible 330Euro per gram.
> The IDs of the bidders I knew, they were exactly those customers, to whose I
> offered Ochansk a week ago at 4 per gram.
>
> But don't mind, I'm not switching totally to ebay, hehe. Collectors will be
> able to order also in future at my regular prices from me.
>
> Buckleboo!!
> Martin
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> kenoneill_at_kenoneill.com
> Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juni 2006 23:05
> An: Meteorite-List
> Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] ebay sniping
>
> Hi all,
> I've used www.auctionstealer.com and won many auctions. I have used it to
> win approx 100 auctions , it let me down once.
>
> Why use a snipe tool ? As a buyer it gets you a better price because it
> tends to stop the bidder, who can't bear losing at any cost, bidding up just
> to beat you and paying over the odds to have the satisfaction of winning.
>
> Using snipe tools to stop overzealous bidders is not really what the seller
> wants, but the facts are a buyer wants the lowest price and will, given the
> opprtunity, seek the means to achieve this. Whereas the seller wants the
> highest price and will look to increase their profit margin whatever way
> they can, you won't be in business for long by giving the stuff away.
>
> Bidding your sniped price early will more often lead to you losing the
> auction. If you don't believe me put it to the test.
>
> Sniping saves the buyer money and wins more auctions.
>
> Ken
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of harlan
> trammell
> Sent: 23 June 2006 16:19
> To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay sniping
>
>
> EBAY PRO'S - can anybody recommend a spot-on reliable, one-shot, one-kill
> sniping service? i am loosing ebay auctions with auctionsniper.com (it does
> not bid late enough and somebody swoops in after my snipe is entered by
> auctionsniper , and THEY take the item).
>
>
>
> i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of
> storage). please cc to: bigpineartifacts_at_yahoo.com
>
>
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