[meteorite-list] Re:Comet hit Britain in mid sixth, RE-POSTED
From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun Jul 23 22:12:20 2006 Message-ID: <20060724021217.42256.qmail_at_web36915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all - Right good p'ing match here - everybody get out your raincoats > Yes, Marco, History is Change. But there are also > those "with a known fetish" AGAINST impacts or > any other physical event as a source" for any > historical change. Let us include here one David Morrison, who has wasted tens of millions in US taxpayers dollars looking for a non-existent "Nemesis" gravitational attractor, while entirely arbitrarily setting cometary impact at no more than 5% of the impact hazard. > Where? Where are the dust layers in peat deposits, > lake deposits, deep sea cores, ice cores from Greenland and Antarctica for example? > All there is, is a set of narrow tree rings. No > more. Not in the Americas. There is about 20 feet of "marine " deposits overlaying the Olmec site of La Venta. The Maya claimed that this was cometary impact tsunami deposit, but then what did they know? There is 6 feet of "marine" sediment separating Savanah River from Vincent in North Carolina. > Again: Where are the dust layers in peat deposits, > lake deposits, deep sea cores, ice cores from Greenland and Antarctica? > Where are they? Since my stroke, I don't know off the top of my head, but Baillie does. So does Keys. Their question is source. Those "tree rings" that you so arbitrarily wave your hands at, Marco, are prima facie evidence of massive climatic collapse and starvation. > This whole grand scenario has virtually NIL evidence > in terms of proxy data. > It's science fiction. Marco, aside from the tree ring data and the ice core data, you're also ignoring contemporary text evidence of these climatic collapses. > >> Complex societies are inherently instable. > There's no need for a clear-cut external prime-mover to make such a society collapse. Yes, but where we have one we'd do well to listen to the ancients' warnings of it. > What I meant with my PhD remark, is that you really > don't have to lecture me on the character of history and historical process. Because that is exactly where I > have been scientifically educated in. And from your > remarks which I address above, it is very clear that YOU don't have an idea about the science of history > at all. You lack even the most basic understanding. > You drop impressive terms but have no idea what they mean. You even seem to lack any real insight in > scientific methodology. Cheap shot, Marco. Any appeal by Sterling to data you dismiss as psuedo-archaeology, based on your credentials and theory. None of the folks who taught you, and none of theory they used, ever even considered impact or dust loading. > So I am not talking about paradigm shifts here, Well, I am. > And yes, there will allways be rearguard battles when paradigms make a major shift. But you really cannot make an argument that this is the case with the topic currently under discusssion. That is too cheap, and such an appeal on partisan courage is actually the hallmark of many pseudo-science advocates (because it > is easy, too easy, to make). Generally, most of our pseudo science archaeology comes from two arrogant Frenchmen, Abbe Basseur and Augustus Le Plungeon. They also made a lot of appeals to their "apparat". Thankfully Brinton shut them down. Lesson: Watch out for arrogant academics. The other basis for psuedo archaeology is all of that evidence of impact processes - the psuedo scientists do wicked things with it, including setting up religions. >> As far as short-term climatic fluctuation is > concerned, there is much more cause to look at variations in solar flux as a possible explanation . >> > > I want to stop and savor this moment when we > agree almost perfectly. You know, if you don't eat for a few years, you're dead. Thankfully this is NASA's problem now, and no ammount of hand waving is going to get them out of it. Is there anything else you'd like me to tell the radio audience? That's $34.95 plus shipping and handling for "Man and Impact in the Americas" at 1-877-494-0044. good hunting - EP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Received on Sun 23 Jul 2006 10:12:17 PM PDT |
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