[meteorite-list] Martian Find Raises Chances of Life
From: mark ford <markf_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 13:39:19 -0000 Message-ID: <6CE3EEEFE92F4B4085B0E086B2941B316584A8_at_s-southern01.s-southern.com> Yes, agreed naturally, and I am not saying there possibly isn't life out there, and we should be interested in Mars absolutley, BUT - caution, a few wet streaks down a hillside is a million miles away from there being alien life forms on mars. I bet there are planets out there in space with entire oceans but no life... I just feel there should be much more direct evidence of life on mars, it's everywhere you look on earth, if there is martian life it's certainly doing its best to not show itself - it's just a very thin case at the moment (imho) The difference with the advanced, well adapted extremophiles on earth is, basically there is little evidence that they evolved before other life forms, So it is reasonable to assume they evolved from other life forms to thrive in these harsher environments, therefore you would need an earth like place to start life off in the first place (as far as we know it), mars is looking quite different, but interesting none the less. Really I just question the assumption that's being made, 'that anywhere in the solar system with a patch of water' will spawn life - on earth it took billions of years and a lot of near perfect environmental factors, to even start it, then it is still quite fragile even after billions of years of a good atmosphere and plenty of stable environmental factors, and <an atmosphere> don't forget mars is very very hostile, very very low pressure, very cold, high UV, high radiation, and [mostly] dry. Just my 2 cents worth. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Greg Redfern [mailto:gredfern at earthlink.net] Sent: 07 December 2006 11:58 To: mark ford; meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Martian Find Raises Chances of Life Hi List, I just want to point out that a whole class of life here on Earth - Extremophiles - have been found to be living in the most hostile places such as ocean thermal vents and other places with extreme cold and heat. There is also a search underway for life within the interior of the Chesapeake Bay Impact Crater (CBIC) which would mimic in many ways a Martian crater with liquid water underground as the NASA MGS photos suggest may be happening. A biologist on last year's CBIC core sample expedition stated that the life forms they are "99% sure" exist within CBIC would eat rock using enzymes, live in extreme pressure and heat in an anaerobic environment. The lead biologist on the team is using this research and possible findings to apply to a similar search for life on Mars. The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) and the August 2007 lift off the Phoenix Lander will give us more data on this whole question. After all, extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. But I for one believe that life is a very powerful force that finds a way to exist in a wide variety of circumstances. Personally, and I emphasize personally, I am pretty sure that MGS recorded an outburst of underground water in those craters at Centauri Montes and Terra Sirenum. Disturbances caused by dust devils, wind and our own Rovers leave DARK traces of their activity. It is very hard to make light toned artifacts on Mars. Even looking at the new impact craters revealed they were for the most part dark impact sites - even the ejecta, although one new crater in Arabia Terra had light toned ejecta. Bottom line is that Mars is a very, very interesting and dynamic planet to explore. I can hardly wait for the more powerful MRO camera nd its suite of instruments to return data on these two gullies. All the best, Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113&nid=421 -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of mark ford Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:41 AM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Find Raises Chances of Life Well, reading between the sensationalist headlines, it could very well be liquid co2 or even just dust, they don't know, - (but as usual people seem to be staring past the other options in favour of 'here's water therefore there's life' ). Not true - water does not mean there is life. Water is one tiny component needed to support life, yes. But an ATMOSPHERE and some ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE would be a good start too...!. mark ________________________________________ From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Dave Freeman mjwy Sent: 06 December 2006 17:22 To: Ron Baalke Cc: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Find Raises Chances of Life Dear Ron, Other scientists with paleobotanical background, Dirk; What are the chances of stromatolite fossils actually being found? on Mars?? I am turning blue from holding my breath. Anyone care to venture any odds of a rock with laminations being found?? Banded Iron Formation or Prokaryotae? Best, Dave Freeman Dealing in Archean Earth stromatolites eBay ID mjwy STROMATOLITE-GUIDE-or-finding-the-Rodney-Dangerfield_W0QQugidZ1000000000 2432833 Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/A rticle_Type1&c=Article&cid=1165406828171&call_pageid=968332188492 Martian find raises chances of life ALICIA CHANG ASSOCIATED PRESS December 6, 2006 LOS ANGELES - A provocative new study of photographs taken from orbit suggests that liquid water flowed on the surface of Mars as recently as Several years ago, raising the possibility that the Red Planet could harbour an environment favourable to life. The crisp images taken by the Mars Global Surveyor do not directly show water. Rather, they show apparently recent changes in surface features that provide the strongest evidence yet that water even now sometimes flows on the dusty, frigid world. Water and a stable heat source are considered keys for life to emerge. Until now, the question of liquid water has focused on ancient Mars, and on the Martian north pole, where water ice has been detected. Scientists have long noted Martian features that appear to have been scoured by water or look like shorelines, and have tried to prove that the Red Planet had liquid water eons ago. "This underscores the importance of searching for life on Mars, either present or past," said Bruce Jakosky, an astrobiologist at the University of Colorado at Boulder, who had no role in the study. "It's one more reason to think that life could be there.'' The new findings were published Wednesday in the journal Science and NASA scheduled a news conference for Wednesday afternoon to announce the results. Oded Aharonson, an assistant professor of planetary science at the California Institute of Technology, said that while the interpretation of recent water activity on Mars was "compelling," it's just one possible explanation. Aharonson said further study is needed to determine whether the deposit could have been left there by the flow of dust rather than water. The latest research emerged when the Global Surveyor spotted gullies and trenches that scientists believed were geologically young and carved by fast-moving water coursing down cliffs and steep crater walls. Scientists at the San Diego-based Malin Space Science Systems, who operate a camera aboard the spacecraft, decided to retake photos of thousands of gullies in search of evidence of recent water activity. Two gullies that were originally photographed in 1999 and 2001 and re-imaged in 2004 and 2005 showed changes consistent with water flowing down the crater walls, according to the study. In both cases, scientists found bright, light-colored deposits in the gullies that weren't present in the original photos. They concluded the deposits - possibly mud, salt or frost - were left there when water recently cascaded through the channels. The Global Surveyor, managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, abruptly lost radio contact with Earth last month. Attempts to locate the spacecraft, which has mapped Mars since 1996, have failed and scientists fear it is unusable. NASA's durable Mars rovers have sent scientists strong evidence that the planet once had liquid water at or near the surface, based on observations of alterations in ancient rocks. "We're now realizing Mars is more active than we previously thought and that the mid-latitude section seems to be where all the action is," said Arizona State University scientist Phil Christensen, who was not part of the current research. Mars formed more than 4.5 billion years ago and scientists generally believe it went through an early wet and warm era that ended after 1.5 billion to 2.5 billion years, leaving the planet extremely dry and cold. Water can't remain a liquid for long because of subzero surface temperatures and low atmospheric pressure that would turn water into ice or gas. But some studies have pointed to the possibility of liquid water flowing briefly on the surface through a possible underground water source that periodically shoots up like an aquifer. ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Received on Thu 07 Dec 2006 08:39:19 AM PST |
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