[meteorite-list] An open message to all list members

From: Dave Carothers <david.carothers_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun Aug 27 17:04:02 2006
Message-ID: <066f01c6ca1c$4c41bef0$6401a8c0_at_WINBOOKJ>

Paul,

You're entitled to your opinion, as am I.

With regards to your comment "I think it is arrogant to think there is only
one person here who can check or comprehend what they read in an advert on
eBay." You're absolutely correct... that is for anyone who has been
collecting for a while. What about the new people coming into the hobby who
DON'T know any better or have the experience? From what I've seen, there is
no stardards-baased body that regulates the buying and selling of
meteorites. We tend to be self regulating.

As to your comment: "In any case the ebay ad does not read as Carothers
reported."

You are incorrect. Steve made the alteration to his ad AFTER I informed him
of the misrepresentation.

As to whether my comments are exagerated or not depends on the point of view
of the reader, how much you value your collection, and how much you see
Steve (Chicago) Arnold as a threat.

Again, You're entitled to your opinion, as am I.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Barford" <pbarford_at_pro.onet.pl>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] An open message to all list members


> Dave Carothers warns:
> > WE as a community have REAL problems. <
> Dressing mud-slinging up in self-righteous verbiage about "doing it for
the
> good of the community" is just a smokescreen.
> I think it is arrogant to think there is only one person here who can
check
> or comprehend what they read in an advert on eBay.
>
> It seems to me that, despite denials, somebody here bears a grudge and are
> expressing it in a most unpleasantly smug manner which hardly inspires
> confidence in their motivation, character or judgement.
>
> My feeling is that issues like this would be best restricted to off-list
> correspondence. And whether or not Mr Arnold subsequently wishes to change
> the text of his advert is surely up to him, he alone is responsible for
his
> own words. And anyway, caveat emptor.
>
> Private emails have again been posted on the list (which I believe is
> against the rules).
>
> In any case the ebay ad does not read as Carothers reported. See
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290023409215
>
> Carothers continues:
> > I see Steve (Chicago) Arnold as a direct threat to this great
> > hobby
> Hmm, rather an exaggeration isnt it? I rather think this constant bitching
> and back-biting we find all too much of on this list is a greater direct
> threat to the hobby. The repetetivity of this kind of exhibition will
merely
> make a laughing stock of the whole milieu.
>
> > I've going to be your own personal Ralph Nader. Every time
> > you post a misleading/untruthful/fraudulent ad, I'm going to
> > expose it... publicly. [...] someone needs to expose you for
> > what you are.?
> It might be a novel idea to suggest, but perhaps we could use the list to
> talk about meteorites and not persue private vendettas against other list
> members? Please? You are really helping nobody here.
>
> > I?m hoping the publicity and peer pressure will convince
> > Steve (Chicago) Arnold develop a different set of morals.
> Though yet another ungrammatical sentence, that sounds awfully
> self-righteous. I know nothing of Mr Arnold's "morals", nor would I
presume
> to judge them from an eBay ad.
>
>
> Mr Carothers, in future, please leave me off the list of addressees of
such
> "open letters", I really dont want to receive any more such spam with
filled
> with pettiness and 'holier than thou' smugness. And I would not be
> surprised to find that I am the only list member who feels like this.
Thank
> you.
>
> Paul Barford
>
>
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Received on Sun 27 Aug 2006 05:03:50 PM PDT