Re-2: [meteorite-list] Moss Meteorite From A Comet?
From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon Aug 21 09:52:35 2006 Message-ID: <20060821135232.15465.qmail_at_web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Larry, List - It appears we have at least one other comet sample: Cheimgau. good hunting, Ed --- Larry Lebofsky <lebofsky_at_lpl.arizona.edu> wrote: > Hi all: > > Defending Tim Swindle and Humberto Campins. I have > known them for years and > they are very conservative scientists. Their work is > good and they are well- > respected scientists. They do not go off (too often) > to make wild, > unsubstantiated, claims., hence, the conclusions in > their article. They based > their Meteorite paper (and their original scientific > paper) on what we know. > We have observations of many comets (Campins has > done a lot of this), but we > have "samples" from only one comet (Halley), are > just now studying Stardust > material (so too early to say much), and IDPs which > are thought to be, at > least in part, cometary in origin. > > Clearly, we need multiple samples from multiple > comets --- good luck in our > lifetime. Therefore you base your "theories" on the > existing information, not > onwhat you hope to have in the future. That is why > people propose new missions > to comets and asteroids! > > We know that not all comets are the same based on > our observations and where > we think they came from. Some of this may be because > of how many times they > have been close to the Sun, some may have to be > related to where they came > from (Kuiper Belt or Oort cloud), and some may have > to do with where they were > formed (which may not have been where we see them > coming from). Clearly, a > chunk of a "fresh" comet would look very different > from a "dead" comet. Or, as > been on this listserv recently, could we tell the > difference between a chunk > of a comet or a piece of Ceres? I am not sure I > would be willing to say > anything in print even though I have studied Ceres > for years. What, from > either, would we expect to make it through the > atmosphere? > > Even if we were to bring back samples from two or > three comets, I doubt if > anyone I know would be willing to say (with respect > to the composition of > comets) that that was their "final answer." That is > the nature of science. > > I really have to stop writing these a 5:00 in the > morning, no breakfast and no > soffee, but this is the quiet time of the day. > > Larry > > > > Quoting bernd.pauli_at_paulinet.de: > > > "Comets ... being 'primitive material' ... we > would need > > to have known multiple samples of multiple comets > before > > we could say for sure." > > > > Hi Mark and List, > > > > I couldn't agree more and that's why I felt a bit > uneasy when I read > > Campins' and Swindle's article in this issue of > our METEORITE magazine: > > > > CAMPINS H. and SWINDLE T.D.(2006) Where are the > cometary > > meteorites? (Meteorite, May 2006, Vol. 12, No.2, > pp. 17-19). > > > > They solely refer repeatedly to Comet Halley and > to Halley dust (plus to > > cometary IDPs). Many more comets need to be > sampled before we can draw > > definite conclusions! > > > > Best, > > > > Bernd > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > ______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Received on Mon 21 Aug 2006 09:52:32 AM PDT |
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