[meteorite-list] Kansas: Creation, Evolution and Intelligent Design

From: mark ford <markf_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri May 13 07:47:27 2005
Message-ID: <6CE3EEEFE92F4B4085B0E086B2941B31245104_at_s-southern01.s-southern.com>

Well since the famous 'god thread' is back... (Where's Marcia when you
need her??)

Here's my take on the universe, I call it 'realistic fundamentalism'

The 'creationists et al' basically appear to say that life is too
amazing to have happened by pure chance, so in their view it must have
been created by a god since clearly only he is 'clever enough' , and
they usually use the classic argument ' ... ok so what was there before
the big bang?


Here's why that is, IMHO, such a crock of shat:


What ever they say - they have a fundamental problem:

1. Either there was a god being who appeared from nowhere (chicken and
egg!) then created the universe.

3. Or the universe appeared from nowhere. (Of course time is really
just a 'man thing' there was no 'before the big bang' time is an effect
we perceive nothing more. So words like 'before time began' are simply
irrelevant.


The question for me is - what does god have to do with the price of
fish?,i.e why does he even need to enter into the equation?, there is
simply no evidence whatsoever, If a god can arise by chance in the first
place then so can a universe without a god, you'd just get back to the
problem who created god!?

The answer is religion is simply a mechanism invented by man, to:

 a) Control Society
 b) A holding theory to explain away the world we see, before the
invention of proper analytical tools.

At the end of the day people will always want to believe in something,
and they certainly won't let the truth get in the way,


religion is basically man kind slowly going stir crazy on this damp
chunk of rock floating in space and in IMHO it certainly has no place on
the school desk, and does the US really want a produce a generation of
'burger eating prayer monkeys? :)'

We should just teach them proven fact (or as close as we get) and let
them decide the rest for themselves, (an alien concept it seems for some
religions).

Just my 2g worth...

Best
Mark Ford







-----Original Message-----
From: MARK BOSTICK [mailto:thebigcollector_at_msn.com]
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:17 PM
To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kansas: Creation,Evolution and Intelligent
Design

Hello list,

intelligence Design is an attempt...although it is happening, so i am
not
sure if attempt is a right word to bring the bible back into the
classroom.
Something they not being very secret about.

This started a few years ago and they tried to pass it in Kansas court,
they
couldnt get it through, so they spend several millions, getting those
that
blocked it, removed out of the Kansas legislation, this was for the
legal
right of adding "intelligence design" to the textbooks.

So they get the legislation set up with the people they want, pass it,
and
bring it to the school board. The school board was like screw that
nonsense, you do not have a complete theory.

So now they are going to force their will on the school board, so we are

having a "debate". They have also redefined to the meaning of science
in
Kansas, literally. Not word for word, but it was something like "facts
about the world and enviroment around us" to "attempts to explain the
world
and enviroment around us." Again, not word for word, but it is easy to
see
where this going.

So we have our debates going. Which are funny in general. I have
never
seen such a Kangaroo court. They were careful in choosing their
"witnesses", had pre-written questions that are carefully worded, and
those
that talk are not allowed to answer anything but the questions asked.
Debates are usually not so one-siding. Or at least not public debates.

But Kansas is just the beginning. Liberal region
views.....unconstitutionally coming to a school near you. In 10 years,
half
of the school in American will be teaching creation.

Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
Embarressed to say I live in Kansas.....
www.meteoritearticles.com


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