[meteorite-list] Happy 4th of July/nice weekend

From: batkol <batkol_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun Jul 3 12:07:18 2005
Message-ID: <003101c57fe9$467334f0$1824e6ce_at_DJV2WH71>

respecting other list members wishes, regardless of their age, about how and
when they post to the list or to private mailboxes should be the number one
priority for this list's member's. if Jason had wanted us all to read his
email, he would have sent it to the list Bob. His age has no bearing
here--he's right. compared to Jason, most of you who have prolonged this
inane, useless playground fighting have the emotional maturity of a gnat.
i joined the list a month ago and i've learned more about Steve and how
others view him than i have about meteorites. as far as useful posts about
meteorites, i've saved three. when you consider how many posts a day come
through my mailbox, that's pretty pathetic. so here's a suggestion: in
recognition of this holiday weekend celebrating our freedom, let's liberate
this list. if you've got a beef with someone, show some class like Jason
did, and send it to the person you have a problem with, it has no place on a
public forum. learn to delete, ignore, or whatever and stop littering this
list with crap. i'm sorry some of you have been dealing with these problems
for years but it's time to stop this petty b.s. and get back on topic. make
the decision not to send the tirades. just stop. i know you can. take
care and enjoy the holiday.
thank you
susan patton




----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Evans" <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>
To: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid_at_gmail.com>
Cc: <Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy 4th of July/nice weekend


> Jason,
>
> Aren't you like fourteen years old? I met your father in Tucson, he's a
> very intelligent person. Why don't you ask his opinion of this Meteorite/
> Steve Arnold list debacle?
> I know Steve probably better than most here on the list. I met with him
> frequently for trades and such. He lives relatively close to me. He can be
> a nice generous person, but, isn't it obvious to you that he enjoys the
> limelight at the expense of others here on the list. All they were asking
> is some mutual respect and hoping to mitigate the endless spamming.
> I think you need to ponder the provocation of these emails regarding
> Steve.
>
> Personally, Im just sick and tired of this being the Steve list.
>
> Im sorry but I think your thoughts should be public even though they are
> naive at best.
>
> Have a nice holiday
> BE
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid_at_gmail.com>
> To: "drtanuki" <drtanuki_at_yahoo.com>
> Cc: <steve_arnol60120_at_yahoo.com>; <bobe5531@comcast.net>; <Gtceb@aol.com>;
> <jonee_at_epix.net>; <jwal2000@swbell.net>; <j.divelbiss@att.net>;
> <libawc_at_emory.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy 4th of July/nice weekend
>
>
> *This message has been copied and sent to nearly all who have sent an
> anti-Steve message posting to the list within the last two weeks and
> to Steve, himself. It has not, however been posted to the list.
>
> Hello Dirk, Terry (and All),
> I have stood by and watched as this Steve Arnold thing has gone on and
> on for the last few months now. I personally did not want to, in any
> way, get involved, though I was tempted at many points in time.
>
> I personally find Steve's postings somewhat entertaining, though
> there's no doubt I could live without them. What you don't seem to
> realize is that your anti-Steve posts just make more of them.
>
> Furthermore, in the last few weeks you've posted a number of letters
> to the list comparable to the number of those sent by Steve himself,
> and none of which (viz. the ones that you sent) were in any way, shape
> or form related to meteorites whereas all of Steve's letters with the
> exception of three that I found (defensive letters caused by your
> anti-Steve group) were meteorite-related. It should be noted that
> only one of his vacation postings did not contain meteoric information
> of some sort.
>
> It should also be noted that your anti-Steve group has, in the last
> few weeks, provided the list with a number of non-meteorite emails
> exponentially larger than those sent by Steve (literally 3^3). My
> hat's off to you 'gentlemen' and 'ladies' on that -- it must have
> taken an enormous amount of your time and effort to compose such a
> barrage of insulting letters.
>
> Although he may have sent a large number of postings through the list,
> Steve broke list rules rather infrequently. The few recent exceptions
> include his five vacation postings (until he was insulted by the
> anti-Steve gang and felt a just need to defend himself...which
> resulted in a total of 3 defensive posts and around 15 posts from you
> attacking those). Whereas you (all), have broken the most basic rule
> (posts must be meteorite related) in excess of thirty times now. At
> least most of his postings have been meteorite related in some way or
> another.
>
> *A copy of all list policies has been placed at the end of this
> message -- please tell me about which one(s) the general outcry is,
> because it isn't immediately obvious to me which one(s) Steve's been
> breaking repeatedly enough to deserve such an outcry, though it seems
> clear enough to me that all of the recipients of this message have
> violated policies one, two and three (and in some cases policy number
> seven as well) a number of times.
>
> It should also be noted that for the last few weeks he has restrained
> himself and posted no more than two emails per day, at most, one of
> which was not meteorite related.
>
> I am personally fed up with it all. I really couldn't care less about
> Steve's postings but your anti-Steve replies have just disgusted me.
> Have you actually taken the time to read what you have been posting?
> All of that is because he sends a message or two a day to the list?
> Come on! -- Those are some of the worst emails I've ever seen! You
> actually said, in your last post, that, "I think it is cool that your
> site has been damaged." Come on, that's just meant to make him feel
> bad. If you want to insult him (or anyone else for that matter), find
> another way, because I do not want to hear about any of it on list.
> If this purely unprovoked 'bashing' continues, I'll follow up with Art
> and see what can be done about you (all). Steve may post some
> misspellings but you have stooped to insults and name calling, which
> is something that even he hasn't resorted to with you, even though it
> does seem to me as if you've earned your right to some rather colorful
> language.
>
> As for Steve, I'm glad that you've lowered you number of posts, though
> I personally have no problem with them, but I think a smaller number
> of posts still, is necessary to make the small number of angry list
> members content (I'd try maybe one per day).
>
> If I were you I'd also stop using the 'I'm trying to help the list by
> shutting him up" argument because it seems to be a grand total of
> around six to seven people who actually care about the issue at all.
> The rest just couldn't give a damn (I think they found that infamous
> little delete button) and a number of others just feel bad about your
> mistreatment of him, but aren't brave enough to come out against all
> of you.
>
> Anita...the argument that your delete finger is "bleeding" is just
> pathetic -- you accuse Steve of only caring about himself and then say
> that...hypocrite...
>
> One last thing for all of you: if you reply to this, please make it
> off list -- I really don't want to be to blame for any more of this
> shit coming onto the list, and would prefer if you in turn stopped all
> posting on this topic there as well. I know I'll get some angry
> replies from you and all I can say is 'bring it on.' Just no insults
> or name calling please -- I'd prefer to keep it clean fellas.
>
> And Steve, Happy Fourth of July, I do hope that you have a very nice
> weekend.
> Regards,
> Jason Utas
>
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>
>
> On 7/2/05, drtanuki <drtanuki_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Steve Arnold and list,
>> Steve, many of us could care less for your goodwill
>> wishes. Get lost. I think it is cool that your site
>> has been damaged and I hope that it takes some time
>> for you to correct it; that should occupy some of your
>> time so you have less time to post to this list.
>> Steve is still trying to be a "nice guy" to cover his
>> gross abuse of the list and his many mis-deeds to list
>> members and customers that have been taken in by his
>> fake offers.
>> Cheers, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>>
>>
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