[meteorite-list] Happy 4th of July/nice weekend

From: Bob Evans <bobe5531_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun Jul 3 10:35:37 2005
Message-ID: <001a01c57fdc$2caec0f0$5092a543_at_yourae066c3a9b>

Jason,

Aren't you like fourteen years old? I met your father in Tucson, he's a very
intelligent person. Why don't you ask his opinion of this Meteorite/ Steve
Arnold list debacle?
I know Steve probably better than most here on the list. I met with him
frequently for trades and such. He lives relatively close to me. He can be a
nice generous person, but, isn't it obvious to you that he enjoys the
limelight at the expense of others here on the list. All they were asking is
some mutual respect and hoping to mitigate the endless spamming.
I think you need to ponder the provocation of these emails regarding Steve.

Personally, Im just sick and tired of this being the Steve list.

Im sorry but I think your thoughts should be public even though they are
naive at best.

Have a nice holiday
BE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid_at_gmail.com>
To: "drtanuki" <drtanuki_at_yahoo.com>
Cc: <steve_arnol60120_at_yahoo.com>; <bobe5531@comcast.net>; <Gtceb@aol.com>;
<jonee_at_epix.net>; <jwal2000@swbell.net>; <j.divelbiss@att.net>;
<libawc_at_emory.edu>
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy 4th of July/nice weekend


*This message has been copied and sent to nearly all who have sent an
anti-Steve message posting to the list within the last two weeks and
to Steve, himself. It has not, however been posted to the list.

Hello Dirk, Terry (and All),
I have stood by and watched as this Steve Arnold thing has gone on and
on for the last few months now. I personally did not want to, in any
way, get involved, though I was tempted at many points in time.

I personally find Steve's postings somewhat entertaining, though
there's no doubt I could live without them. What you don't seem to
realize is that your anti-Steve posts just make more of them.

Furthermore, in the last few weeks you've posted a number of letters
to the list comparable to the number of those sent by Steve himself,
and none of which (viz. the ones that you sent) were in any way, shape
or form related to meteorites whereas all of Steve's letters with the
exception of three that I found (defensive letters caused by your
anti-Steve group) were meteorite-related. It should be noted that
only one of his vacation postings did not contain meteoric information
of some sort.

It should also be noted that your anti-Steve group has, in the last
few weeks, provided the list with a number of non-meteorite emails
exponentially larger than those sent by Steve (literally 3^3). My
hat's off to you 'gentlemen' and 'ladies' on that -- it must have
taken an enormous amount of your time and effort to compose such a
barrage of insulting letters.

Although he may have sent a large number of postings through the list,
Steve broke list rules rather infrequently. The few recent exceptions
include his five vacation postings (until he was insulted by the
anti-Steve gang and felt a just need to defend himself...which
resulted in a total of 3 defensive posts and around 15 posts from you
attacking those). Whereas you (all), have broken the most basic rule
(posts must be meteorite related) in excess of thirty times now. At
least most of his postings have been meteorite related in some way or
another.

*A copy of all list policies has been placed at the end of this
message -- please tell me about which one(s) the general outcry is,
because it isn't immediately obvious to me which one(s) Steve's been
breaking repeatedly enough to deserve such an outcry, though it seems
clear enough to me that all of the recipients of this message have
violated policies one, two and three (and in some cases policy number
seven as well) a number of times.

It should also be noted that for the last few weeks he has restrained
himself and posted no more than two emails per day, at most, one of
which was not meteorite related.

I am personally fed up with it all. I really couldn't care less about
Steve's postings but your anti-Steve replies have just disgusted me.
Have you actually taken the time to read what you have been posting?
All of that is because he sends a message or two a day to the list?
Come on! -- Those are some of the worst emails I've ever seen! You
actually said, in your last post, that, "I think it is cool that your
site has been damaged." Come on, that's just meant to make him feel
bad. If you want to insult him (or anyone else for that matter), find
another way, because I do not want to hear about any of it on list.
If this purely unprovoked 'bashing' continues, I'll follow up with Art
and see what can be done about you (all). Steve may post some
misspellings but you have stooped to insults and name calling, which
is something that even he hasn't resorted to with you, even though it
does seem to me as if you've earned your right to some rather colorful
language.

As for Steve, I'm glad that you've lowered you number of posts, though
I personally have no problem with them, but I think a smaller number
of posts still, is necessary to make the small number of angry list
members content (I'd try maybe one per day).

If I were you I'd also stop using the 'I'm trying to help the list by
shutting him up" argument because it seems to be a grand total of
around six to seven people who actually care about the issue at all.
The rest just couldn't give a damn (I think they found that infamous
little delete button) and a number of others just feel bad about your
mistreatment of him, but aren't brave enough to come out against all
of you.

Anita...the argument that your delete finger is "bleeding" is just
pathetic -- you accuse Steve of only caring about himself and then say
that...hypocrite...

One last thing for all of you: if you reply to this, please make it
off list -- I really don't want to be to blame for any more of this
shit coming onto the list, and would prefer if you in turn stopped all
posting on this topic there as well. I know I'll get some angry
replies from you and all I can say is 'bring it on.' Just no insults
or name calling please -- I'd prefer to keep it clean fellas.

And Steve, Happy Fourth of July, I do hope that you have a very nice
weekend.
Regards,
Jason Utas

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On 7/2/05, drtanuki <drtanuki_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> Steve Arnold and list,
> Steve, many of us could care less for your goodwill
> wishes. Get lost. I think it is cool that your site
> has been damaged and I hope that it takes some time
> for you to correct it; that should occupy some of your
> time so you have less time to post to this list.
> Steve is still trying to be a "nice guy" to cover his
> gross abuse of the list and his many mis-deeds to list
> members and customers that have been taken in by his
> fake offers.
> Cheers, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>
>
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Received on Sun 03 Jul 2005 10:33:25 AM PDT