[meteorite-list] Re: Blood Auction Results

From: joseph_town_at_att.net <joseph_town_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Feb 18 01:36:39 2005
Message-ID: <021820050636.7943.42158CF2000C1CFD00001F0721602813020299019BA1089F0A9C0106_at_att.net>

Bob and all,

Michael spelled out his thought process very clearly. The auction is a public venue and anyone present can record and offer the results, but it isn't his responsibility to do so for anyone but the consigners, buyers and the irs. I'm sure somebody copied it all down. Simply find another source.

Bill


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Bob Evans" <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>
> Michael,
>
> Im sure Ryan isn't interested in market comparisons. I myself and Im sure
> numerous others would like to see the results simply out of curiosity. We
> got to look at the auctions for weeks prior to the auction and it would be
> nice to just see what sold, for how much, whats still available, etc.
> I doubt anyone would think that one auction with 50 bidders could determine
> market value of the meteorites that were offered.
>
> BTW- Thanks for the fast shipping . I received the meteorite I won today.
>
> Bob E
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood_at_cox.net>
> To: "RYAN PAWELSKI" <yellowengine_at_earthlink.net>; "Meteorite List"
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Blood Auction Results
>
>
> > Hi Ryan,
> > I happily report price of sale to individuals who placed an
> > absentee bid on a given item.
> > The reason I do not post prices is out of consideration of
> > all the dealers in Tucson - and even those not at Tucson. For some
> > reason, people are under the misconception that the price at an
> > auction means something about the "value" of said material. I have
> > even heard a DEALER state that price at auction DEFINES market
> > value! I could not disagree more. What the price at auction means
> > is that
> > 1) Given all the other items up for sale AND
> > 2) Given the priorities of the bidders at that particular auction
> > 3) at that particular time
> > 4) and given the amount of money they have to spend at that moment
> > 5) and relative to weight and
> > 6) visual appeal of the item
> > 7 relative to all other items and the bidding pattern on them and
> > 8) the bidding activity on the given item
> > one person was willing to pay that amount, at that time, etc.
> > In other words, it means NOTHING in terms of the market.
> > Have you ever heard of someone buying a house at a tax auction
> > for less than 10% of the "market" in the area? Or someone paying 5 times
> > the "market value" of a meteorite on ebay? These are only a couple of
> > instances demonstrating my point.
> > Yet, people will go to a dealer the day after the auction and try
> > to
> > beat him down on a price of something saying, "At the auction this
> > sold for XXX a gram and your asking YYY a gram. That's way more than
> > what it is worth."
> > Of course, the perspective buyer is trying to get a deal, but if
> > what he was saying were really true, he wouldn't be trying to buy it
> > today,
> > as he would have bought it at the auction. Frequently the dealer is
> > offering
> > a much smaller piece, possibly with more eye appeal, etc.
> > So, no, I quit publishing prices because people kept beating up
> > dealers with them. Of course, when I tally up everything after an auction,
> > I inevitably beat myself up for letting more than a few TERRIFIC buys get
> > past me! I do not, however, pretend I should be able to find those prices
> > anywhere else.
> > Furthermore, dealers in Tucson almost all had to:
> > A) Travel a long distance
> > B) Rent a room & buy meals daily
> > C) Tie up capital in their stock
> > D) put in countless hours to make all this happen
> > 1) packing,
> > 2) planning
> > 3) renting the room in advance
> > 4) getting airline tickets or driving great distances
> > 5) etc)
> > E) Usually buy a nice display box of some kind
> > F) Rent display cases for the show
> > G) Make labels, keep records, etc. etc.
> > They do not need to then have their prices held up to completely
> > arbitrary comparison to a one night a year auction. In addition, I have
> > never heard of a single incident of a buyer saying, "Gee, this sold for
> > MUCH more per gram at the auction! You aren't charging nearly enough.
> > Can I pay you more?" Though you can be sure the opportunity to
> > do so happens quite often.
> > NOTE: this statement is not aimed at anyone in particular, so,
> > if anyone is taking it personally, you are mistaken.
> > Best wishes, Michael
> >
> >
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