[meteorite-list] Tucson 05 Retrospective

From: Grant L. Elliott <gle_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Feb 16 17:48:19 2005
Message-ID: <005801c51479$77179640$35d0fea9_at_yourah1qbb56u1>

Mark,

You crystallized everything I was thinking while reading all this email
exchange. This individual's psyche depends on pushing people's buttons, and
from my observation, he has been very successful in doing so-

Regards, Grant Elliott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Bowling" <minador_at_yahoo.com>
To: <srd_at_ispwest.com>; "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter@comcast.net>
Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 05 Retrospective


> Tossing boiling water on the list and then complaining about our response
> is
> pretty lame.
>
> Why doesn't somebody inquire with the university directly - I doubt that
> the
> dean will stand by the alleged statement. It might be good to help this
> kook
> burn more bridges behind him - he may then do less harm later on. Then
> again,
> giving him more attention, dragging this out on the list (thus chasing
> more
> people away which hurts the list) may give him more enjoyment...
>
> Mark
>
> --- "S. Ray DeRusse" <srd_at_ispwest.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Now Now Now Mr. Farmer;
>> There is no need for name calling. You seem to have quite a bit of
>> anger derived from being confronted with unsavory facts. We're just
>> reporting what was conveyed to us from the TCU geology department dean.
>> We did not say Mr. Ehlmann was not a nice person to you. In fact we do
>> not agree with much of what the dean said to us about him, but the dean
>> has a different opinion obviously from experience. Our experience is
>> related and somewhat different, well documented, and verifiable. Your
>> anger has quite a grip on you but unfortunately this is not enough to
>> change the facts. Keep your chin up Mr. Farmer things will get better
>> eventually.
>>
>> Cordially,
>>
>> S. Ray DeRusse
>> www.bccmeteorites.com
>>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
>> Michael Farmer wrote:
>>
>> > Now I know that you are a bitter piece of filth who doesn't have a
>> > meteorite and it lashing out at the world for it.
>> > Dr Ehlmann is the nicest man in the world, and knows meteorites better
>> > than you can imagine, he has curated one of the worlds finest
>> > collections for decades.
>> > Why don't you just fade away, and lock yourself and your "meteorites"
>> > in a cave for a while? Bitterness and hatefulness (and lawsuits) will
>> > not turn your crappy rocks into meteorites, no matter how much you
>> > wish.
>> > Sincerely
>> > Mike Farmer
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Ray DeRusse" <srd_at_ispwest.com>
>> > To: "Notkin" <geoking_at_notkin.net>
>> > Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:21 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 05 Retrospective
>> >
>> >
>> >> Greetings List;
>> >>
>> >> Well, imagine our surprise when we read the thread below. I had a
>> >> personal conversation with the Dean of the TCU geology department in
>> >> which he informed me that among other things, Dr. Ehlmann was "barely
>> >> a geologist and not a very good one at that". He also called him, "an
>> >> old man just waiting to retire," just a menial curator of a meteorite
>> >> collection doing no real research". He said more but I don't
>> >> necessarily agree with everything he Dean said. But it matters not
>> >> much since in my view this award has very little meaning attached to
>> >> it because of the group handing it out. Was there some sort of
>> >> election or nomination procedure involved or posted somewhere? How
>> >> does this little favoritism scheme and showering of affection work
>> >> for a group who even his colleague has bad mouthed him this way. Did
>> >> you include the Dean's viewpoint ? Or did you gather together willy
>> >> nilly to keep misconduct and racism a fertile nesting ground in
>> >> planetary science?
>> >>
>> >> Cordially,
>> >> S. Ray DeRusse and Bill Cutler
>> >> www.bccmeteorites.com
>> >>
>>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Notkin wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Dear Friends and Listees:
>> >>>
>> >>> I've come up for air after a long and sometimes exhausting Tucson
>> >>> show. This was my first show as a legal resident of the great state
>> >>> of Arizona and it was a very different experience for me. I had a
>> >>> house full of overnight guests, hosted the big birthday bash, met
>> >>> with clients, acted as Allan Lang's auctioneer, bought and traded
>> >>> for a few collection pieces, and generally ran around like a lunatic
>> >>> taking care of a million things for nearly three weeks. I think it
>> >>> was more fun when I used come out here for a vacation each February
>> >>> . . . but then I had to go back to New York afterwards, and that
>> >>> part wasn't so fun : )
>> >>>
>> >>> I'd like to sincerely thank all of you who joined Steve Arnold IMB
>> >>> and myself for the Sixth Annual Meteor Mayhem party and Harvey
>> >>> Awards. The consensus was that the new venue (The Copper Club,
>> >>> inside the Arizona Plaza) was a HUGE improvement over previous
>> >>> venues, and I agree. Our many guests were able to move around and
>> >>> socialize, instead of being pinned behind a crowded restaurant
>> >>> table, while experiencing lousy waiter service . . . and Steve and I
>> >>> certainly enjoyed having a stage from which to present the Harvey
>> >>> Awards. We will return to the Copper Club next year if the hotel
>> >>> remains open.
>> >>>
>> >>> Congrats to the 2005 Harvey Award winners:
>> >>>
>> >>> Dr. Art Ehlmann -- Lifetime achievement
>> >>> Michael Blood -- Ambassador award
>> >>> Mike Miller -- Best new meteorite find
>> >>> Ruben Garcia -- Best new meteorite find
>> >>> Sonny Clary -- Rookie of the year!
>> >>> Jose Guggiari -- Best new meteorite find
>> >>> Edwin "E.T." Thompson -- Lifetime achievement
>> >>>
>> >>> And remember, you don't have to be "old" to receive a lifetime
>> >>> achievement award : ) There are many other deserving people in our
>> >>> community, so stay tuned for next year's awards!
>> >>>
>> >>> Low point of the show this year was when somebody stole one of our
>> >>> Harvey Awards, while they were on display prior to the awards
>> >>> ceremony. It was somewhat embarrassing that -- thanks to our thief
>> >>> -- we did not have an award to give to our final recipient (E.T.),
>> >>> but I was able to make another one, and deliver it to E.T.'s room
>> >>> before he left for Oregon. I know that Harveys are something of a
>> >>> hot item, but COME ON that's pretty low. We're going to make a
>> >>> special "Jackass of the Year" certificate for the person who stole
>> >>> the award, and we'll leave it out on the table next year, so be sure
>> >>> to steal that too. Thanks.
>> >>>
>> >>> On a more positive note, I'd like to thank Twink & Larry Monrad and
>> >>> Jim Kriegh for the stunning Gold Basin panorama birthday cake, which
>> >>> they very kindly brought to the party. This year's cake was the best
>> >>> ever. Also, thanks to my co-host Steve Arnold IMB, and my great
>> >>> friend Geoff Cintron who did everything from act as chauffeur to
>> >>> buying us drinks during the awards; and Lisa Marie Morrison of
>> >>> Sirocco Design, a very talented jewelry designer, who served as our
>> >>> glamorous hostess *and* absentee bid agent during the R.A.
>> >>> Langheinrich auction.
>> >>>
>> >>> As always, Michael Blood's auction was a great event (I came home
>> >>> with the one piece I really wanted) and bigger than ever this year.
>> >>> Allan Lang's auction on the Sunday was a success too, and I shocked
>> >>> everyone by showing up in a suit and tie. Well, once a year with the
>> >>> tie isn't so bad.
>> >>>
>> >>> It was a pleasure to finally meet fellow collector Martin Horejsi,
>> >>> after many years of friendly correspondence. Monnig Gallery Director
>> >>> Teresa Moss and her husband Lane made their first visit to the show,
>> >>> and it was particularly nice to see them here, as Teresa, Dr.
>> >>> Ehlmann, and I have worked closely together on the Monnig Gallery
>> >>> website.
>> >>>
>> >>> Another highlight for me was spending time with genius inventor Bill
>> >>> Mason. My girlfriend and I joined him for dinner just last night,
>> >>> and Bill gave me a personal class in working with his meteorite rust
>> >>> prevention kit. You shoulda seen what it did to my rusty old Brahin!
>> >>> This product is truly amazing, and if you haven't tried it, you
>> >>> should. I must also mention that Bill was the recipient of this
>> >>> year's Charles H. Sternberg Medal from the paleontology community
>> >>> and the good people at AAPS (www.aaps.net). This is an extremely
>> >>> high honor, very well deserved, and I'm sure Bill's many friends in
>> >>> the meteorite community will join me in congratulating him on this
>> >>> fine achievement.
>> >>>
>> >>> Finally, we owe a big vote of thanks to Allan Lang, Bob Haag, and
>> >>> the other exhibitors at the Westward Look Resort who financed a
>> >>> special event which made it possible for many of us to listen to,
>> >>> and meet, famed astronaut Harrison "Jack" Schmitt on Sunday, Feb. 6.
>> >>> What a superb afternoon that was!
>> >>>
>> >>> It was great to see so many of you out here, and I apologize to
>> >>> those friends whom I saw only briefly or not at all. You'll just
>> >>> have to come out for a longer visit next year. Oh yes . . . and Dr.
>> >>> Joel Schiff, I expect see you here for Tucson 2006. There is no
>> >>> Harvey Award for "Meteorite" magazine until you come out here to
>> >>> receive it in person (that's because we all want to see you again)
>> >>> : )
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards to all,
>> >>>
>> >>> Geoff N.
>> >>> (trying to catch up with "real" work in Tucson)
>> >>>
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