[meteorite-list] RE: RC's age of the universe???

From: Dawn & Gerald Flaherty <grf2_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Aug 19 22:27:24 2005
Message-ID: <0aa501c5a52e$a6d54300$6502a8c0_at_GerryLaptop>

Hear! Hear! Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>
To: <trifid_at_timewarp.de>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RE: RC's age of the universe???


> Objection, Euer Ehren!
>
> Bishop Ussher, who calculated the day of the creation was an anglican
> protestant from Ireland.
> And if I remember right, in Spencer Tracy's The trial of the Hulk, the
> opponent was a protestant zealot.
> I for my part never met a catholic priest with had doubts on the age of
the
> universe, nor was I taught in the religious education at school 20+ years
> ago, that evolution and the age of the world is rubbish. (In fact they
> taught the construct of Teilhard, creation in evolution).
> Btw. the main agitation against the heliocentric system in 16th century
was
> done by lutheran church.
> The catholic scholars didn't use Copernicus' system for the only reason,
> that it gave worse accurate positions of the planets than the geocentric
> (Copernicus used concentric orbits and was always fighting with additional
> auxiliary circles to get that thing in accordance with the real positions,
> which were worse than those calculated by the model with epicycles).
> Later when Kepler had published his laws, the Catholics were using them,
> despite Galileo was damned :-)
> I would locate that Ussherism today more in the American
> fundamentalistic-potestant branches than in the RC.
>
> Amen
> Martin
>
> PS: Ussher's first day of creation was 20th October 4004 B.C.
> PSS: Norbert, ich brauch die Liste!
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norbert Classen" <trifid_at_timewarp.de>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:28 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: RC's age of the universe???
>
>
> > Hi Sterling, Martin & All,
> >
> > Martin H. wrote:
> >
> > > The question has risen:
> > >
> > > > I wonder why the RC church would have such a
> > > > huge collection of items which contradicts
> > > > their doctrine that the universe is only
> > > > 6,000 to 10,000 years old...
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a reference for the assumption that
> > > "their doctrine" actually addresses the age of the
> > > universe?
> >
> > I guess that assumption stems from the movie "Inherit the Wind" with
> Spencer
> > Tracy, based on the legendary ape trial, and the screenplay by Jerome
> > Lawrence and Robert E. Lee. Major Brady, the proponent of the
> anti-evolution
> > fraction, gives an exact date of the creation of the universe in this
> plot;
> > if I recall it correctly it was a "Thursday", some 5,700 or so years ago
> ;-)
> > Certainly not the official doctrine of the RC church, but I know quite a
> lot
> > of contemporary RC priests, preachers, and officials who are saying
> > essentially the same...
> >
> > Sterling responded (sorry for quoting you out of context, Sterling):
> >
> > > That unfortunate business with Galilleo was, well,
> > > unfortunate... There are reports that many prelates,
> > > including the Pope, were delighted with the Big Bang
> > > theory's wide acceptance, for obvious reasons. A created
> > > universe? Didn't we always say so?
> >
> > Yeah, and while Galilleo has been reinstated by popular demand (sic!),
> > people such as Giordano Bruno are still "burning in hell", at least if
you
> > follow the official agenda of the RC church. Now, if we would actually
> find
> > traces of (former) life in martian meteorites, or on Mars missions, the
> > official agenda would surely change, provided that there will be another
> > paradigm shift, and enough popular demand to "convince" them. There. So
> it's
> > no real change of attitude, it's just "survival of the fittest", what
> leads
> > us back to Darwin, and "Inherit the Wind"...
> >
> > Enough said,
> > Norbert
> >
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