[meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out

From: Matt Morgan <mmorgan_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Sep 23 12:53:01 2004
Message-ID: <002c01c4a18b$af589240$6400a8c0_at_D14191145L2K>

All of you know, researchers are not going to work on every single piece
of say 1929, that comes out of NWA. This is a losing battle with no
easy solution. This is the problem with NWA and it has been this way
from the beginning.
I see it in 3 ways...
1. Enjoy the low low prices and "visual" pairings (sometimes thin
section pairings) 2. Do not buy any NWA meteorites except for pieces of
the single classified mass 3. If you buy a suspect piece, say 1929, you
can try and have it classified yourself. Chances are the researcher
won't bother. He/she woiuld rather work on something new. Try having 15
L6's classified. Like pulling teeth. Give em an achondrite and you are
good to go.

I do not see this as different than Gao, Holbrook, or any other find.
The finder cannot be 100% certain that what they found near Holbrook, is
in FACT, a HOLBROOK meteorite. You can suppose it is by coincidence,
but it begs the question.

Its up to you. Point is, ENJOY this HOBBY folks!!! If you are collecting
type specimens, then you obviousky will want to have an official class.

Matt Morgan

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Farmer
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:40 AM
To: kenoneill_at_kenoneill.com; Meteorite-List (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out


Ken, indeed, there may be other pieces, but since Adam and Jeff Grossman
made it extremely clear last week that like the 1068 and 1110
meteorites, the name can only be used for my original piece 922 grams.
Anything thought to be paired needs to be classified and given a new
number and perhaps listed at paired with 1929. I did not participate in
last week's discussion, but I am now mad that the same people who fought
so hard, are doing exactly what they fought against. Mike Farmer
----- Original Message -----
From: <kenoneill_at_kenoneill.com>
To: "Meteorite-List (E-mail)" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out


>
>
> Hi Bernhard and list,
>
> Something else to bear in mind (although it may be trivial) when you
> refer to the TKW of say NWA1929 (or any other classified NWA). The
> weight is actually the total weight not total known weight as the name

> NWA1929
refers
> to the rock Mike had classified and no other. TKW infers there may be
other
> unknown/undiscovered mass. This cannot be possible.
>
> Regards
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of
> Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems
> Sent: 23 September 2004 16:19
> To: 'Michael Farmer'
> Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
>
>
> Michael (and others who have written to me in private),
>
> it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that
> people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to
> the simple rules anymore).
>
> Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA
> 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and

> I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW.
>
> It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but
> "unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA
> 2019".
>
> Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so
> and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in
> the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly
> betraying my business partner.
>
> So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A
> and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED
> OFF! And I don't like that feeling.
>
> Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine
> diogenite you declared to be fake?
>
> What does the IMCA have to say about this matter?
>
> _____
>
> Best regards,
> Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems
>
> CEO RPGDot Network
>
>
> This outgoing mail has been virus-checked.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael Farmer
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM
> To: Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems
> Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
>
> Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the
> meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do

> costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while
> building my
> collection.
> This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really
> know
> how to do it. I
> Mike Farmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems" <rendelius_at_rpgdot.com>
> To: "'Michael Farmer'" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
>
>
> > Money, you know.
> >
> > This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and
> > selling off my 600+ meteorites.
> >
> > _____
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems
> >
> > CEO RPGDot Network
> >
> >
> > This outgoing mail has been virus-checked.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
> > Michael Farmer
> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM
> > To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
> >
> > This one confuses me.
> > We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes
> and
> > Dr
> > Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and
> > when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it
> > is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others.
> > NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual.
> > I had it classified by Dr Bunch.
> > It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my
number,
> > including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals?
Then
> > they
> > have not been cut.
> > Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites
> are
> > NWA
> > 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA
> > 1929
> in
> > Morocco?
> > I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be
> paired
> > as
> > stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the
> > same treatment?
> > This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a
> > huge
> > fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people
are
> > going
> > to town with my meteorite number.
> > Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929?
> >
> > Michael Farmer
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rob Wesel" <nakhladog_at_comcast.net>
> > To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:15 AM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
> >
> >
> > > Hello all-
> > >
> > > Thought I'd burn the midnight oil and give the folks across the
> > > pond
> a
> > > fighting chance at a great deal.
> > >
> > > Up for offer is some of the Recrystallized Howardite NWA 1929
> > >
> > > Classification info below, this material is PAIRED
> > >
> > > Classification and mineralogy (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): a
> > > heavily shocked (S4-6) breccia of 72 vol % cumulate eucrite
> > > clasts,
> 8%
> > > subophitic clasts, 14% diogenites and 6% melt clasts. Pervasive
> > solid-state
> > > recrystallization of plagioclase and pyroxenes; localized melt
> pockets
> > and
> > > veins in clasts. Cumulate pyroxene, Fs45-40Wo7-20; plagioclase,
> > An91.2-95.3;
> > > melted metal droplets, 0.97 wt % Ni and 0.87 % Cr. Diogenite
> pyroxene,
> > > Fs43-54 Wo2.5-3.6. Fresh crust and minor interior staining.
> > >
> > > I have three large pieces for sale at an excellent price, and when
> > > I
> > say
> > > excellent I mean $14 per gram and under!
> > >
> > > They are split individuals that fit perfectly together. Keep both
> > pieces
> > or
> > > sell one and make some money while keeping one for yourself.
> > >
> > > If you ever wanted a showy Howardite but never thought you could
> > afford
> > > it...take a look
> > >
> > > 306.2 grams ... $4000 ... ONLY $13 a gram!!!
> > > http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/306.2faces.JPG
> > > http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/306.2backs.JPG
> > >
> > >
> > > 91.4 grams ... $1275
> > > http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/91.4faces.JPG
> > > http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/91.4backs.JPG
> > >
> > >
> > > 101.2 grams ... $1400
> > > http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/101.2faces.JPG
> > > http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/101.2backs.JPG
> > >
> > > You want bigger? I can get 'em, just ask. Up to kilo individuals!
> > >
> > > Domestic shipping and insurance on me if PayPal avoided Foreign
> > > shipping on me if PayPal avoided, insurance optional
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rob Wesel
> > > ------------------
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> > > and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> > > Willy Wonka, 1971
> > >
> > >
> > >
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