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From: Jörn Koblitz <koblitz_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Sep 23 12:27:41 2004
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Remember the distinction between meteorites from densely populated areas (like Dhofar, NWA, Dar al Gani) and the rest of the world. There is a clear distinction set forth by the NomCom of which procedures for naming and calculating TKWs is applicable. There have been numerous postings to this list to explain this procedure, recently e.g. by Jeff Grossman.

Cheers,
J?rn Koblitz

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: mark ford [mailto:markf_at_ssl.gb.com]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. September 2004 18:02
> An: Meteorite List
> Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
>
>
>
> Yeah, there are quite a few anomalies in the whole system...
>
>
> If the name or number given to a fall is only for the
> specimens given in
> for analysis, how come falls like sikhote have a total known weight of
> many tons? Surley only a few kilo's where officially used for the
> classification, so if we are being strict, the total known
> weight should
> really be the 'total classified weight', should it not?
>
> Best
>
>
> Mark Ford
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JKG [mailto:h3chondrite_at_cox.net]
> Sent: 23 September 2004 16:53
> To: kenoneill_at_kenoneill.com; Meteorite-List (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
>
> This is an interesting point. The word "known" implies that
> up to this
> point this is what we know exists. History has shown that addition
> specimens of meteorites with previously published TNWs have
> been found
> which changes the TNW. But remember, in the case of NWAs, the
> Meteoritical
> Society has invoked a specific set of rules for a meteorite to be
> properly
> recognized. Maybe it's time for the rule makers to revisit
> this issue.
>
> Best,
>
> JKG
>
> At 08:35 AM 9/23/2004, kenoneill_at_kenoneill.com wrote:
>
>
> >Hi Bernhard and list,
> >
> >Something else to bear in mind (although it may be trivial) when you
> refer
> >to the TKW of say NWA1929 (or any other classified NWA). The
> weight is
> >actually the total weight not total known weight as the name NWA1929
> refers
> >to the rock Mike had classified and no other. TKW infers there may be
> other
> >unknown/undiscovered mass. This cannot be possible.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Ken
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
> >[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of
> >Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems
> >Sent: 23 September 2004 16:19
> >To: 'Michael Farmer'
> >Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> >Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
> >
> >
> >Michael (and others who have written to me in private),
> >
> >it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that
> >people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to
> >the simple rules anymore).
> >
> >Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger
> slice of NWA
> >2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the
> price and
> I
> >expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW.
> >
> >It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but
> >"unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA
> 2019".
> >
> >Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe
> I have so
> >and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly
> resell it in the
> >future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying
> my
> >business partner.
> >
> >So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A
> and
> >it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF!
> >And I don't like that feeling.
> >
> >Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine
> >diogenite you declared to be fake?
> >
> >What does the IMCA have to say about this matter?
> >
> > _____
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems
> >
> >CEO RPGDot Network
> >
> >
> >This outgoing mail has been virus-checked.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
> >[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
> >Michael Farmer
> >Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM
> >To: Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems
> >Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
> >
> >Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the
> >meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the
> travel I do
> >costs
> >a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while
> building
> >my
> >collection.
> >This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I
> don't really
> >know
> >how to do it. I
> >Mike Farmer
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems" <rendelius_at_rpgdot.com>
> >To: "'Michael Farmer'" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> >Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM
> >Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
> >
> >
> > > Money, you know.
> > >
> > > This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting
> this hobby and
> > > selling off my 600+ meteorites.
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems
> > >
> > > CEO RPGDot Network
> > >
> > >
> > > This outgoing mail has been virus-checked.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
> > > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Michael Farmer
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM
> > > To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
> > >
> > > This one confuses me.
> > > We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where
> the Hupes
> >and
> > > Dr
> > > Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and
> when
> > > the
> > > nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for
> that
> > > meteorite that the number is reserved, no others.
> > > NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual.
> > > I had it classified by Dr Bunch.
> > > It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my
> number,
> > > including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals?
> Then
> > > they
> > > have not been cut.
> > > Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut
> meteorites
> >are
> > > NWA
> > > 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA
> 1929
> >in
> > > Morocco?
> > > I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be
> >paired
> > > as
> > > stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929
> immune to the
> > > same
> > > treatment?
> > > This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last
> week had a
> > > huge
> > > fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people
> are
> > > going
> > > to town with my meteorite number.
> > > Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no
> NWA 1929?
> > >
> > > Michael Farmer
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rob Wesel" <nakhladog_at_comcast.net>
> > > To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:15 AM
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello all-
> > > >
> > > > Thought I'd burn the midnight oil and give the folks across the
> pond
> >a
> > > > fighting chance at a great deal.
> > > >
> > > > Up for offer is some of the Recrystallized Howardite NWA 1929
> > > >
> > > > Classification info below, this material is PAIRED
> > > >
> > > > Classification and mineralogy (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): a
> > > > heavily shocked (S4-6) breccia of 72 vol % cumulate eucrite
> clasts,
> >8%
> > > > subophitic clasts, 14% diogenites and 6% melt clasts. Pervasive
> > > solid-state
> > > > recrystallization of plagioclase and pyroxenes; localized melt
> >pockets
> > > and
> > > > veins in clasts. Cumulate pyroxene, Fs45-40Wo7-20; plagioclase,
> > > An91.2-95.3;
> > > > melted metal droplets, 0.97 wt % Ni and 0.87 % Cr. Diogenite
> >pyroxene,
> > > > Fs43-54 Wo2.5-3.6. Fresh crust and minor interior staining.
> > > >
> > > > I have three large pieces for sale at an excellent
> price, and when
> I
> > > say
> > > > excellent I mean $14 per gram and under!
> > > >
> > > > They are split individuals that fit perfectly together.
> Keep both
> > > pieces
> > > or
> > > > sell one and make some money while keeping one for yourself.
> > > >
> > > > If you ever wanted a showy Howardite but never thought you could
> > > afford
> > > > it...take a look
> > > >
> > > > 306.2 grams ... $4000 ... ONLY $13 a gram!!!
> > > > http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/306.2faces.JPG
> > > > http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/306.2backs.JPG
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 91.4 grams ... $1275
> > > > http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/91.4faces.JPG
> > > > http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/91.4backs.JPG
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 101.2 grams ... $1400
> > > > http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/101.2faces.JPG
> > > > http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/101.2backs.JPG
> > > >
> > > > You want bigger? I can get 'em, just ask. Up to kilo
> individuals!
> > > >
> > > > Domestic shipping and insurance on me if PayPal avoided
> > > > Foreign shipping on me if PayPal avoided, insurance optional
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rob Wesel
> > > > ------------------
> > > > We are the music makers...
> > > > and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> > > > Willy Wonka, 1971
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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