[meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories

From: Alexander Seidel <gsac_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue Sep 14 13:29:43 2004
Message-ID: <2437.1095179767_at_www18.gmx.net>

I personally like the idea of being able to trace the history
of meteorites (especially the more historical ones), e.g. by means
of having labels of them from the pre-owners. Martin Horejsi shows
some nice examples on his website. At it?s best these will be
original labels which date back many decades or even more than a
century - but these are very rare, and it is more probable that
you will get a photocopy in some cases, from the once curated
piece which later on was cut.

I would have no problems of letting such labels go along with the
associated meteorite (if I ever sold it, that is), and I would add
my very own collection label - why not? But there is a limit, and
this is privacy, depending on the degree of "shyness" of the
individual collector. I know of collectors who would never agree to
such a procedure of being involved in tracing - and this is *not*
to be misunderstood for bad reasons which they may have. It is just
their personal right to do so, for their very own reasons or motives.

In my own case, as a long time collector I would give away my own label for
a piece, but I would *never* add my name to some sort of paperwork (acting
as a "wandering cup"), with special info lines to be filled up, which would
then be passed on to the next owner(s). This would be way
beyond my very own line of privacy. We all are different, aren?t we? :-)

Just another thought,
Alex
Berlin/Germany


> -----Recent Message from Mark Ford-----
>
> And ... They would copy or fill out a new record card for each one, (if
> they want the benefits and better prices traceability would bring)..
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Altmann [mailto:Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de]
> Sent: 14 September 2004 16:09
> To: mark ford
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
>
> And what about the many collectors and dealers, who splatter down so
> many
> larger historic pieces to subgram crumbs to cash them in ebay?...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mark ford" <markf_at_ssl.gb.com>
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:15 PM
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
>
>
>
>
> Pierre,
>
> Good idea, though it could be a bit labour intensive and I am not sure
> many people would be very keen on paying for the service every time they
> sold a stone. An electronic system could work in theory, and it would
> also be a great way of tracing/recovering stolen material. (A similar
> technique is already used for oil paintings).
>
>
> But it really only needs to be a paper record card, where each owner
> writes their name on it, along with any info. If an organization like
> the IMCA sold the blank cards (a new way of raising funds?) they could
> retain the right to recall cards if they were misused..
>
> Best
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pierre-Marie PELE [mailto:pierre.pele_at_voila.fr]
> Sent: 14 September 2004 14:59
> To: MeteoriteList
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Histories
>
> This is a great idea which could help keeping tracks for successive
> owners.
>
> But to keep a certain independance, there could be a website (with login
> access) where successive owners of a certain piece could register their
> ownership.
>
> CONCEPT
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Here's a complete example (fictionous) :
> 1. A meteorite hunter finds an Allende individual. He wishes to sell it.
> 2. This meteorite hunter goes on the website, enters its login/password
> and creates a file (for example with the ID ALLENDE025). This ID will
> follow the meteorite from owner to another owner. The file is full with
> size, weight, presentation (individual, slice, fragment...), picture if
> any, ...
> 3. I wish to buy the Allende025 meteorite to the owner. I update the
> file Allende025 by changing the name of the previous owner and by
> replacing it with my name. Of course, the previous owner name would be
> kept for tracking.
> 4. And the same if I buy the meteorite to a 3rd owner...
>
> This database could be validated by IMCA.
>
> MY PROPOSAL
> ---------------------
> As a meteorite collector and website creator, I'm able to build such a
> site. That's a long work but it could be useful for anyone.
> I could manage this list, with the acceptance of IMCA authority (I'm an
> IMCA member also).
>
> COST OF WEB HOSTING
> -----------------------------------
> The cost of website hosting (ASP server, 200Mb, fast server, 20Gb
> transfer volume a month, 5 Access databases) is US$1200 a year with
> domain name. Anyone wishing to be a member should pay for the service
> or the hosting could be paid by advertising.
>
>
>
> Let me know what you think of all this !
>
> Pierre-Marie PELE
> www.meteor-center.com
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr
>
>
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