[meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Sep 9 00:41:12 2004
Message-ID: <00ac01c49625$fe310bc0$6401a8c0_at_c1720188a>

Hi Stan,

When it comes to something as important as planetary material I would say
getting different numbers is the right thing to do just as long as pairings
are mentioned like in the SAU and DAG series. The Dhofar lunar series is a
different situation. TKWs are not known and pairings have not yet been
established. I did not set the rules, the NomCom did. In my opinion every
planetary piece should, especially without crust, be authenticated by and
reported to a scientist. New numbers should be assigned and weights
recorded. If they are found as fragments, the entire batch should be looked
at and reported under one number as is the case of NWA 1110. Something as
obvious as falls is a different matter. If a qualified person does not
analyz something as important as planetary pieces do you think fragments
without crust should be sold by just anybody who thinks they look similar?
Will this provide the consumer with confidence that just anybody can call
pebble anything they want?

Kind Regards,

Adam

----- Original Message -----
From: "stan ." <laser_maniac_at_hotmail.com>
To: <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>; <bobe5531@comcast.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues


> is there really any need for this?
>
> let's be realistic here for a moment.
> sure an nwa number is assigned to specific fragments you reported - but if
> the same EXTRAORDINARILY rare material is comming out of the same
location,
> being purchased from the same nomads (either by you, Habibi, or the
French)
> - then assigning each parcel that a dealer gets a new nwa number seems
> nothing more than down right silly. all this serves to do is keep TKW's
down
> via artifical means...
>
> look at the TKW of nwa1929. what is it, 900g? whats the REAL tkw, 15kg or
> so?
>
> if you bought a big allende from the field tomorrow are you going to send
it
> in as a possibly paired, new find and ask it to be assigned the name
> allende(x)?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> >To: "Comcast Mail" <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>
> >CC: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues
> >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:20:33 -0700
> >
> >Dear Bob,
> >
> >What you are doing is nothing short of fraud. All of the fragments that
> >make up NWA 1110 weigh 118 grams and every piece was authenticated by Dr,
> >Irving. Anything not pictured on this web-site link is not NWA 1110,
plain
> >and simple.
> >
> >http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nwa1110.html
> >
> >Nelson's pieces are paired to NWA 1068. NWA 1110 is also paired to NWA
> >1068, as well. Pairing to a pairing is ridiculous, submit your own type
> >sample, claim the extra weight and get your own number. The set of
NWA1110
> >pairings weigh exactly 118 grams, that's official, not a gram more. If
you
> >do not believe me ask the NomCom for the rules because it is not up to me
> >to
> >educate you. It is simple, send in a type specimen and have every crumb
> >you
> >sell looked at by a planetary scientist and I will acknowledge them by
> >their
> >new NWA number which will not be NWA 1110. Any dealer in the know should
> >already know this. If you continue using NWA 1110 I will report it.
This
> >is not interference with an auction.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Comcast Mail" <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>
> >To: "Meteorite list" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>; "Adam Hupe"
> ><raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:09 PM
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues
> >
> >
> > > Adam,
> > >
> > > Im not sure what the pictures you provided were meant to prove, other
> >than
> > > you like taking pictures of nomads playing in the sand. Why weren't
you
> >or
> > > Greg in the photo? Just curious
> > >
> > >
> > > The Nwa 1110 that I am selling on ebay is the same meteorite that
Nelson
> > > Oakes is selling on his website. Are you calling him a fraud too?
> > >
> > > Adam, do you have a problem with healthy competition? I certainly
> >believe
> > > you do.
> > > Is it really any mystery why Mike Farmer despises you? You certainly
> >made
> > > many accusations against him. And of course you couldn't prove any of
> >them.
> > > My point is ...... you havent seen the meteorite that Im selling so
> >please
> > > keep your opinions to yourself.
> > >
> > > Were you ever physically at the NWA 1110 Strewnfield ? If so please
show
> > > some real proof ( not pictures of nomads in the sand ). How do you
> >really
> > > know that you got every specimen of NWA 1110 ?
> > > Please answer these questions, because I really do want to know.
> > >
> > > Please dont interfere with my auctions again. I have never done that
to
> >you.
> > >
> > > Wishing everyone the best !
> > >
> > > Bob Evans
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:18 PM
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear List,
> > > >
> > > > It has come to my attention that some sellers are still using the
NWA
> >1110
> > > > designation to sell there untested material. It is not a marketing
> >ploy
> > > > that I bring this up as we are nearly out of stock and we start all
of
> >our
> > > > true NWA 1110 auctions out at just 99 cents. Here are the problems:
> > > >
> > > > We had Dr. Irving at the University of Washington authenticate every
> >piece
> > > > we have ever sold or plan to sell. All of it is recorded at 118
grams
> >can
> > > > be seen at the JPL/NASA Martian web site. Other dealers selling NWA
> >1110
> > > > have not gone to this expense We have only supplied one dealer from
> > > Austria
> > > > with NWA 1110 and he is sold out.
> > > >
> > > > We paid the research and authentication costs associated with every
> >piece
> > > of
> > > > NWA 1110
> > > >
> > > > We deposited a type sample (something important if want your very
own
> >NWA
> > > > number)
> > > >
> > > > We paid the cost to go into the field, monitored the recovery
efforts
> >and
> > > > recorded GPS coordinates.
> > > >
> > > > Habibi of Morocco has been telling dealers he supplied us with NWA
> >1110
> > > and
> > > > so what he is selling is the same. This is not the truth as we do
not
> >do
> > > > business with Habibi and never will. If you check the images below
> >you
> > > will
> > > > see we went directly to the source and recorded GPS coordinates:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa1110/nwa1110a.jpg
> > > >
> > > > http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa1110/nwa1110b.jpg
> > > >
> > > > http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa1110/nwa1110c.jpg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa1110/nwa1110d.jpg
> > > >
> > > > To see auctions like the one I linked to below really irritates us
> >because
> > > > no laboratory has tested this material, the dealer should deposit a
> >type
> > > > specimen, pay the lab fees and get his very own NWA number so that
> >every
> > > > gram of meteorites paired to NWA 1068 can be recorded if they are
> >indeed
> > > > meteorites.
> > > >
> > > > This is what I would like to say to the person running this ebay
> >auction
> > > > "Stop using NWA 1110, get a real number, put out some effort, there
is
> >no
> > > > such thing as a free ride":
> > > >
> > >
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2268561021
> > > >
> > > > Wishing everybody the best,
> > > >
> > > > Adam Hupe
> > > > The Hupe Collection
> > > > Team LunarRock
> > > > IMCA 2185
> > > > raremeteorites_at_comcast.net
> > > >
> > > >
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Received on Thu 09 Sep 2004 12:32:18 AM PDT