[meteorite-list] Extended Thanksgiving

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Nov 26 13:49:09 2004
Message-ID: <050f01c4d3e7$0f2b0440$6401a8c0_at_c1720188a>

Dean,

Impress us all, Instead of selling anything for a buck including Black Sea
Pearls, Ming Dynasty Artifacts, Stuffed Animals, Blankets, Snake Oil and
Elixirs why don't you specialize in meteorites? Learn everything you can
about them, possibly start a collection and let us know about the wonders
you might have discovered along the way instead of protecting your
unofficial sacred cow (NWA 869). We have literally seen tons of this
material and donated almost every piece that crossed our collection so we
know the difference.


Adam


----- Original Message -----
From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Extended Thanksgiving


> I guess that this means that I have "Won" and that now
> everybody including the Hupes realizes that NWA904 is
> paired with NWA869.
> If there is anything that I have learned from five
> years of spats on this list is that when somebody
> realizes that the gig is up and that they are wrong
> then they stop trying to make arguements (Intelligent,
> half baked or otherwise) and regress like a baby and
> just start talking fertilizer and horse shit.......
>
>
>
>
> --- Greg Hupe <gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Dean,
> >
> > I want to personally thank you for extending
> > Thanksgiving for us. Thanks for
> > keeping the dead horse alive, we just can't get
> > enough of it. If you keep
> > kicking it long enough you will have produced so
> > much fertilizer that you
> > will have a heck of a bumper crop next spring.
> >
> > Thanks again Dean, where would we be without fruits
> > and vegetables!
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 11:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 787, 869, 904
> >
> >
> > > Yes, I wouldent argue with Dr Rubin. And Rubin got
> > a
> > > section of NWA869 and called it a L4 and then from
> > the
> > > EXACT SAME ROCK got another section and called it
> > an
> > > L5.
> > > Two parts of the VERY SAME ROCK that Rubin got
> > pieces
> > > of were of a different classification. That should
> > > tell you the rock is not consistant.
> > > Then you go and sell Stan a piece of your very own
> > > NWA904 that you somehow cant figure out is mothing
> > > more than another piece of NWA869. The piece that
> > you
> > > sold stan is so different from your photos of the
> > > other parts of the NWA904 stone (The nice part in
> > the
> > > photo in your marketing with the black spots) that
> > > when you saw stan resell it as NWA904
> > (Legitamately
> > > since he got this piece of NWA904 from you - see
> > > archaives of stans postings over the past couple
> > of
> > > days) you accuse him of substituting another rock
> > > (Presumably NWA869) and improperly selling it as
> > > NWA904.
> > > You cant even recogonize your very own NWA904
> > stone
> > > and you yourself is calling your own NWA904 stone
> > 869
> > > in your attack on stan for selling it as NWA904
> > saying
> > > that he paired the stone himself (When as per his
> > > email yesterday he bought this NWA904 directly
> > from
> > > you).
> > > So no, I am not disputing what Alan Rubin is
> > saying.
> > > I am totally agreeing with Rubin (And in your
> > accusing
> > > attack on stan agreeing with you also) that NWA904
> > is
> > > just another piece of the very beautiful and
> > highly
> > > brecciated NWA869.
> > > Sincerely
> > > DEAN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dean,
> > >>
> > >> I will take the word of Dr. Rubin, a skilled
> > >> scientists with a Ph.D. and
> > >> decades of experience over somebody who does not
> > >> even collect meteorites and
> > >> is only in it for the money.
> > >>
> > >> Happy Holiday,
> > >>
> > >> Adam
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> > >> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 2:51 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 787, 869, 904
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > You know, you can wish all you want that you
> > dont
> > >> have
> > >> > a lot of NWA869 pairings (And I am using NWA869
> > >> > because thats my number and its the most
> > commonly
> > >> > accepted name for this HUGE fall - Even the
> > >> moroccans
> > >> > refer to it as NWA869) but like the boggy creek
> > >> > martian rainforest, wishing wont make it
> > happen.
> > >> And
> > >> > saying that it has to be definatively paired by
> > >> some
> > >> > scientist is taking advantage of the well known
> > >> fact
> > >> > that scientists are unable to pair thousands of
> > >> > meteorites scientifically. If you buy 100 kilos
> > of
> > >> > NWA869 (Which, as you all know, I have done
> > once
> > >> or
> > >> > twice) and if there are 2 or 3 kilos of other
> > >> stuff
> > >> > mixed in they show up like a sore thumb. This
> > >> > meteorite is very easy to recogonize. Take a
> > look
> > >> at
> > >> > this photo:
> > >> >
> > >>
> > http://www.meteoriteshop.com/ebay/nwa869samples.jpg
> > >> > The Hupes do a very good job at polishing their
> > >> > specimens (Way better than I do) so the shine
> > is
> > >> not
> > >> > on my photos like on theirs but if my scan
> > doesnt
> > >> > convince you that NWA869 is very brecciated
> > then
> > >> > nothing well. Look at all the inclusions. Look
> > at
> > >> the
> > >> > big black spot in the upper piece.
> > >> > What NWA904 is, is a NWA869 specimen that has
> > all
> > >> of
> > >> > high points mixed together in one stone. Only
> > >> maybe 1
> > >> > in 10 pieces has the black spots. I wish that I
> > >> had a
> > >> > better piece that looks more like NWA904 by
> > itself
> > >> but
> > >> > those pieces always sell very quickly and dont
> > >> come up
> > >> > that often and I always try and sell anything
> > that
> > >> I
> > >> > have fast and dont put the same effort into
> > making
> > >> the
> > >> > specimens pretty like teh hupes does. But most
> > of
> > >> the
> > >> > things in NWA904 are in one of the specimens in
> > my
> > >> > photo.
> > >> > As far as saying that it is unofficial because
> > it
> > >> is
> > >> > not in the bulletin well, so what? Alan Rubin
> > >> > classified a piece as L4 and then asked for
> > >> another
> > >> > piece from the same stone and called it an L5.
> > >> Rubin
> > >> > got two different classifications from samples
> > >> taken
> > >> > from the same stone. The meteorite has so much
> > >> stuff
> > >> > in it that it has some interest among
> > scientists
> > >> and
> > >> > rather than take Rubins L5 classification
> > (Taken
> > >> from
> > >> > a L5 part of a non brecciated section of this
> > >> > meteorite - you cant get everything in this
> > >> meteorite
> > >> > showing in a 20 gram sample so what do you
> > expect
> > >> from
> > >> > a classification taken from one thin section) I
> > >> have
> > >> > agreed to send michael zolonsky at JSC a more
> > >> > representative section of NWA869 than what
> > Rubin
> > >> was
> > >> > given. Unfortunately Mr Zolonsky must be away
> > or
> > >> > something as I have been unable to contact him
> > for
> > >> > well over a month now (Jeff, do you know when
> > he
> > >> will
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
>
>
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Received on Fri 26 Nov 2004 01:36:50 PM PST