[meteorite-list] 787, 869, 904

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Nov 26 12:47:11 2004
Message-ID: <04de01c4d3de$67f00480$6401a8c0_at_c1720188a>

Dean,

Four List members who did not engage in the recent dealer "Wolf Pack" type
tactics gave their opinions and all say NWA 904 is different from NW 869 and
this was just last week. In previous statements you were completely wrong
about NWA 1109 which is a meteorite we had classified. It has 0%
Orthopyroxene meaning no laboratory in their right mind would ever call it a
Howardite. Several type specimens were submitted from three different stones
and no Orthopyroxene was found. If you take the time to read the Met
Bulletins you will see we submitted multiple type specimens and four
thin-sections. Please stop commenting on things you know nothing about and
we will do the same.

All the best,

Adam


----- Original Message -----
From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 787, 869, 904


> Yes, I wouldent argue with Dr Rubin. And Rubin got a
> section of NWA869 and called it a L4 and then from the
> EXACT SAME ROCK got another section and called it an
> L5.
> Two parts of the VERY SAME ROCK that Rubin got pieces
> of were of a different classification. That should
> tell you the rock is not consistant.
> Then you go and sell Stan a piece of your very own
> NWA904 that you somehow cant figure out is mothing
> more than another piece of NWA869. The piece that you
> sold stan is so different from your photos of the
> other parts of the NWA904 stone (The nice part in the
> photo in your marketing with the black spots) that
> when you saw stan resell it as NWA904 (Legitamately
> since he got this piece of NWA904 from you - see
> archaives of stans postings over the past couple of
> days) you accuse him of substituting another rock
> (Presumably NWA869) and improperly selling it as
> NWA904.
> You cant even recogonize your very own NWA904 stone
> and you yourself is calling your own NWA904 stone 869
> in your attack on stan for selling it as NWA904 saying
> that he paired the stone himself (When as per his
> email yesterday he bought this NWA904 directly from
> you).
> So no, I am not disputing what Alan Rubin is saying.
> I am totally agreeing with Rubin (And in your accusing
> attack on stan agreeing with you also) that NWA904 is
> just another piece of the very beautiful and highly
> brecciated NWA869.
> Sincerely
> DEAN
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Dean,
> >
> > I will take the word of Dr. Rubin, a skilled
> > scientists with a Ph.D. and
> > decades of experience over somebody who does not
> > even collect meteorites and
> > is only in it for the money.
> >
> > Happy Holiday,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 2:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 787, 869, 904
> >
> >
> > > You know, you can wish all you want that you dont
> > have
> > > a lot of NWA869 pairings (And I am using NWA869
> > > because thats my number and its the most commonly
> > > accepted name for this HUGE fall - Even the
> > moroccans
> > > refer to it as NWA869) but like the boggy creek
> > > martian rainforest, wishing wont make it happen.
> > And
> > > saying that it has to be definatively paired by
> > some
> > > scientist is taking advantage of the well known
> > fact
> > > that scientists are unable to pair thousands of
> > > meteorites scientifically. If you buy 100 kilos of
> > > NWA869 (Which, as you all know, I have done once
> > or
> > > twice) and if there are 2 or 3 kilos of other
> > stuff
> > > mixed in they show up like a sore thumb. This
> > > meteorite is very easy to recogonize. Take a look
> > at
> > > this photo:
> > >
> > http://www.meteoriteshop.com/ebay/nwa869samples.jpg
> > > The Hupes do a very good job at polishing their
> > > specimens (Way better than I do) so the shine is
> > not
> > > on my photos like on theirs but if my scan doesnt
> > > convince you that NWA869 is very brecciated then
> > > nothing well. Look at all the inclusions. Look at
> > the
> > > big black spot in the upper piece.
> > > What NWA904 is, is a NWA869 specimen that has all
> > of
> > > high points mixed together in one stone. Only
> > maybe 1
> > > in 10 pieces has the black spots. I wish that I
> > had a
> > > better piece that looks more like NWA904 by itself
> > but
> > > those pieces always sell very quickly and dont
> > come up
> > > that often and I always try and sell anything that
> > I
> > > have fast and dont put the same effort into making
> > the
> > > specimens pretty like teh hupes does. But most of
> > the
> > > things in NWA904 are in one of the specimens in my
> > > photo.
> > > As far as saying that it is unofficial because it
> > is
> > > not in the bulletin well, so what? Alan Rubin
> > > classified a piece as L4 and then asked for
> > another
> > > piece from the same stone and called it an L5.
> > Rubin
> > > got two different classifications from samples
> > taken
> > > from the same stone. The meteorite has so much
> > stuff
> > > in it that it has some interest among scientists
> > and
> > > rather than take Rubins L5 classification (Taken
> > from
> > > a L5 part of a non brecciated section of this
> > > meteorite - you cant get everything in this
> > meteorite
> > > showing in a 20 gram sample so what do you expect
> > from
> > > a classification taken from one thin section) I
> > have
> > > agreed to send michael zolonsky at JSC a more
> > > representative section of NWA869 than what Rubin
> > was
> > > given. Unfortunately Mr Zolonsky must be away or
> > > something as I have been unable to contact him for
> > > well over a month now (Jeff, do you know when he
> > will
> > > be back?).
> > > As you all know getting classifications is very
> > slow
> > > at the best of times (I am 3 years or more now
> > waiting
> > > on NWA300 and NWA304 for example from the russian
> > > academy of sciences).
> > > So the fact that one of the most exciting and
> > > interesting common chodrites from NWA (Not to
> > mention
> > > easily the most talked about on this list over the
> > > past couple of years) is slow getting published in
> > the
> > > bulletin is not surprising and it certainly dont
> > in
> > > any way lessen the excitement this meteorite has
> > > caused. It certainly dont make recogonizing it any
> > > more hard or easy.
> > > But as we have said NWA904 is a very specific
> > stone
> > > and only that stone can be called NWA904. But
> > NWA904
> > > is nothing more than a particularly nice meteorite
> > > paired with NWA869. And since it is so nice
> > probably
> > > worth a premium over more "Normal" pieces of
> > NWA869.
> > > But like the boggy creek people, you can bury your
> > > head in the sand like the osterich, but taking
> > > advantage of the fact that no scientist will
> > > scientifically pair 10,000 stones in ones
> > marketing
> > > wont make something true. They are all NWA869s.
> > You
> > > may wish otherwise because you want something more
> > > rare but thats what they are. This is possibly the
> > > most brecciated meteorite ever found.
> > > Sincerely
> > > DEAN
> > > PS: I After writing all of that I cannot resist a
> > > sales pitch to everybody (Nothing - not even
> > > information is free). I have HUNDREDS of NWA869s
> > > listed on my AZTECFEAST ebay user id so buy your
> > > stones now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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