[meteorite-list] 787, 869, 904

From: joseph_town_at_att.net <joseph_town_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Nov 26 02:00:10 2004
Message-ID: <112620040700.26444.41A6D4730007EF550000674C21602807410299019BA1089F0A9C0106_at_att.net>

Adam,

You sound like a very educated sort. Please share your scientific credentials, degrees, whatever applies to meteorites, with us all.

Bill


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> Dean,
>
> I will take the word of Dr. Rubin, a skilled scientists with a Ph.D. and
> decades of experience over somebody who does not even collect meteorites and
> is only in it for the money.
>
> Happy Holiday,
>
> Adam
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 2:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 787, 869, 904
>
>
> > You know, you can wish all you want that you dont have
> > a lot of NWA869 pairings (And I am using NWA869
> > because thats my number and its the most commonly
> > accepted name for this HUGE fall - Even the moroccans
> > refer to it as NWA869) but like the boggy creek
> > martian rainforest, wishing wont make it happen. And
> > saying that it has to be definatively paired by some
> > scientist is taking advantage of the well known fact
> > that scientists are unable to pair thousands of
> > meteorites scientifically. If you buy 100 kilos of
> > NWA869 (Which, as you all know, I have done once or
> > twice) and if there are 2 or 3 kilos of other stuff
> > mixed in they show up like a sore thumb. This
> > meteorite is very easy to recogonize. Take a look at
> > this photo:
> > http://www.meteoriteshop.com/ebay/nwa869samples.jpg
> > The Hupes do a very good job at polishing their
> > specimens (Way better than I do) so the shine is not
> > on my photos like on theirs but if my scan doesnt
> > convince you that NWA869 is very brecciated then
> > nothing well. Look at all the inclusions. Look at the
> > big black spot in the upper piece.
> > What NWA904 is, is a NWA869 specimen that has all of
> > high points mixed together in one stone. Only maybe 1
> > in 10 pieces has the black spots. I wish that I had a
> > better piece that looks more like NWA904 by itself but
> > those pieces always sell very quickly and dont come up
> > that often and I always try and sell anything that I
> > have fast and dont put the same effort into making the
> > specimens pretty like teh hupes does. But most of the
> > things in NWA904 are in one of the specimens in my
> > photo.
> > As far as saying that it is unofficial because it is
> > not in the bulletin well, so what? Alan Rubin
> > classified a piece as L4 and then asked for another
> > piece from the same stone and called it an L5. Rubin
> > got two different classifications from samples taken
> > from the same stone. The meteorite has so much stuff
> > in it that it has some interest among scientists and
> > rather than take Rubins L5 classification (Taken from
> > a L5 part of a non brecciated section of this
> > meteorite - you cant get everything in this meteorite
> > showing in a 20 gram sample so what do you expect from
> > a classification taken from one thin section) I have
> > agreed to send michael zolonsky at JSC a more
> > representative section of NWA869 than what Rubin was
> > given. Unfortunately Mr Zolonsky must be away or
> > something as I have been unable to contact him for
> > well over a month now (Jeff, do you know when he will
> > be back?).
> > As you all know getting classifications is very slow
> > at the best of times (I am 3 years or more now waiting
> > on NWA300 and NWA304 for example from the russian
> > academy of sciences).
> > So the fact that one of the most exciting and
> > interesting common chodrites from NWA (Not to mention
> > easily the most talked about on this list over the
> > past couple of years) is slow getting published in the
> > bulletin is not surprising and it certainly dont in
> > any way lessen the excitement this meteorite has
> > caused. It certainly dont make recogonizing it any
> > more hard or easy.
> > But as we have said NWA904 is a very specific stone
> > and only that stone can be called NWA904. But NWA904
> > is nothing more than a particularly nice meteorite
> > paired with NWA869. And since it is so nice probably
> > worth a premium over more "Normal" pieces of NWA869.
> > But like the boggy creek people, you can bury your
> > head in the sand like the osterich, but taking
> > advantage of the fact that no scientist will
> > scientifically pair 10,000 stones in ones marketing
> > wont make something true. They are all NWA869s. You
> > may wish otherwise because you want something more
> > rare but thats what they are. This is possibly the
> > most brecciated meteorite ever found.
> > Sincerely
> > DEAN
> > PS: I After writing all of that I cannot resist a
> > sales pitch to everybody (Nothing - not even
> > information is free). I have HUNDREDS of NWA869s
> > listed on my AZTECFEAST ebay user id so buy your
> > stones now.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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