[meteorite-list] 787, 869, 904

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Nov 25 23:50:10 2004
Message-ID: <03d501c4d371$e3ead640$6401a8c0_at_c1720188a>

Dean,

I will take the word of Dr. Rubin, a skilled scientists with a Ph.D. and
decades of experience over somebody who does not even collect meteorites and
is only in it for the money.

Happy Holiday,

Adam

----- Original Message -----
From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 787, 869, 904


> You know, you can wish all you want that you dont have
> a lot of NWA869 pairings (And I am using NWA869
> because thats my number and its the most commonly
> accepted name for this HUGE fall - Even the moroccans
> refer to it as NWA869) but like the boggy creek
> martian rainforest, wishing wont make it happen. And
> saying that it has to be definatively paired by some
> scientist is taking advantage of the well known fact
> that scientists are unable to pair thousands of
> meteorites scientifically. If you buy 100 kilos of
> NWA869 (Which, as you all know, I have done once or
> twice) and if there are 2 or 3 kilos of other stuff
> mixed in they show up like a sore thumb. This
> meteorite is very easy to recogonize. Take a look at
> this photo:
> http://www.meteoriteshop.com/ebay/nwa869samples.jpg
> The Hupes do a very good job at polishing their
> specimens (Way better than I do) so the shine is not
> on my photos like on theirs but if my scan doesnt
> convince you that NWA869 is very brecciated then
> nothing well. Look at all the inclusions. Look at the
> big black spot in the upper piece.
> What NWA904 is, is a NWA869 specimen that has all of
> high points mixed together in one stone. Only maybe 1
> in 10 pieces has the black spots. I wish that I had a
> better piece that looks more like NWA904 by itself but
> those pieces always sell very quickly and dont come up
> that often and I always try and sell anything that I
> have fast and dont put the same effort into making the
> specimens pretty like teh hupes does. But most of the
> things in NWA904 are in one of the specimens in my
> photo.
> As far as saying that it is unofficial because it is
> not in the bulletin well, so what? Alan Rubin
> classified a piece as L4 and then asked for another
> piece from the same stone and called it an L5. Rubin
> got two different classifications from samples taken
> from the same stone. The meteorite has so much stuff
> in it that it has some interest among scientists and
> rather than take Rubins L5 classification (Taken from
> a L5 part of a non brecciated section of this
> meteorite - you cant get everything in this meteorite
> showing in a 20 gram sample so what do you expect from
> a classification taken from one thin section) I have
> agreed to send michael zolonsky at JSC a more
> representative section of NWA869 than what Rubin was
> given. Unfortunately Mr Zolonsky must be away or
> something as I have been unable to contact him for
> well over a month now (Jeff, do you know when he will
> be back?).
> As you all know getting classifications is very slow
> at the best of times (I am 3 years or more now waiting
> on NWA300 and NWA304 for example from the russian
> academy of sciences).
> So the fact that one of the most exciting and
> interesting common chodrites from NWA (Not to mention
> easily the most talked about on this list over the
> past couple of years) is slow getting published in the
> bulletin is not surprising and it certainly dont in
> any way lessen the excitement this meteorite has
> caused. It certainly dont make recogonizing it any
> more hard or easy.
> But as we have said NWA904 is a very specific stone
> and only that stone can be called NWA904. But NWA904
> is nothing more than a particularly nice meteorite
> paired with NWA869. And since it is so nice probably
> worth a premium over more "Normal" pieces of NWA869.
> But like the boggy creek people, you can bury your
> head in the sand like the osterich, but taking
> advantage of the fact that no scientist will
> scientifically pair 10,000 stones in ones marketing
> wont make something true. They are all NWA869s. You
> may wish otherwise because you want something more
> rare but thats what they are. This is possibly the
> most brecciated meteorite ever found.
> Sincerely
> DEAN
> PS: I After writing all of that I cannot resist a
> sales pitch to everybody (Nothing - not even
> information is free). I have HUNDREDS of NWA869s
> listed on my AZTECFEAST ebay user id so buy your
> stones now.
>
>
>
>
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