[meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun Nov 21 01:19:48 2004
Message-ID: <023301c4cf90$970bf500$6401a8c0_at_c1720188a>

Bob,

It is very simple, send a type specimen to NAU or any other NomCom
authorized laboratory and I will recognize your material when the NomCom
assigns it an official NWA number. Using the numbers NWA 1110 and NWA 1877
will never be acceptable because the material has already been voted on.

It is a simple matter, send in a type specimen and all the fragments. The
fragments will be visually compared to the type specimen by a competent
scientist. If a qualified scientist argues to the NomCom they are all the
same and the NomCom votes that this is ok they will all be assigned an
official number. Every fragment in the NWA 1110 batch was looked at by Dr.
Irving, submitted to the NomCom and a number was assigned to cover the 118
grams of fragments, not a gram more.

I am not authorized to compare material and make official judgements and
neither is Mike. All we can do is offer an opinion. In the case of a fall
the NomCom rules are different.

Here is link to explain how you can make your unclassified and un-numbered
material official:

http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~glg100-p/Meteorite.html

If you are too lazy to follow through that will become your problem. There
is no excuse for number piggy-backing and it is against NomCom rules. If
you do not respect them you have no right to call your material anything
other than unclassified.

Growing ever more tired of repeating myself to someone who can not grasp the
simplest concepts,

Adam




----- Original Message -----
From: "Comcast Mail" <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>
To: "Meteorite list" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>; "Michael Farmer"
<meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers


> Well,
>
> What do you say Adam? Shall we send Mike our NWA1877 and NWA1110
>
> Put up ....... or shut up
>
> Bob Evans
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Farmer <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> To: Comcast Mail <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>; Meteorite list
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
>
>
> > Bob, I would be glad to, and I think that specific meteorite is a great
> > example of the problem we are facing.
> > The Shergottite in question was widely distributed in Morocco, and many
> > people got pieces of it. I sold under the name NWA 1068.
> > I am not sure how to approach this one, it is unfair for people to
demand
> > that every fragment of it be classified, as it would be a waste of time
> and
> > material.
> > However, what is the solution? I really don't know.
> > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Comcast Mail" <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>
> > To: "Meteorite list" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>; "Michael
> Farmer"
> > <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
> >
> >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > Ive sold samples to people who bought samples from both Adam and I.
They
> > > say
> > > that they are identical ( kind of hard for terrestrial rock to look
> > > identical to Martian meteorites isn't it ? )
> > > People on this list ( who care about this issue ) respect your
opinion.
> > > Im not asking you to classify it . Im merely asking you to report
visual
> > > similarity
> > >
> > > Bob Evans
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Michael Farmer <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> > > To: Comcast Mail <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>; Meteorite list
> > > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
> > >
> > >
> > >> Well, I could easily make a judgment, but then it is going against
the
> > >> rules, and while I have done that before, the only way to clean up
this
> > >> disaster is to start living by the rules, and if you buy something
> > >> through
> > >> the mail from Morocco, it should be submitted.
> > >> Amgala like I said in a previous email, is a fall, and like Bensour
or
> > >> Allende, deserves different treatment from NWA #s.
> > >> Still, it is a tough call. I can say as a dealer and with some
> experience
> > >> since I announced Amgala, I could identify it, but I cant reccomend
> that
> > >> everyone who has owned a meteorite do it. There is no substitute for
> > >> experience.
> > >> Mike Farmer
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Comcast Mail" <bobe5531_at_comcast.net>
> > >> To: "Meteorite list" <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>; "Michael
> > > Farmer"
> > >> <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:28 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Mike,
> > >> >
> > >> > I trust you. How about I send you a sample of my NWA 1110 and NWA
> 1877
> > > and
> > >> > have Adam send you his.
> > >> > Then you can report your opinion regarding comparison back to
anyone
> > >> > who
> > >> > cares.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks
> > >> > Bob Evans
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: Michael Farmer <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> > >> > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > >> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:56 PM
> > >> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite numbers
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> To clarify something that is obviously causing some problems in
the
> > >> >> meteorite world right now, I want everyone to know that
> > >> >> NWA 788, 787, and NWA 482 are numbers that came from rather large
or
> > >> >> meteorites with hundreds of pieces bought during one of my
> > >> >> expeditions.
> > >> >> The Hupes and many other people have the right to those numbers.
> > >> >> Now, there are other numbers being widely used without proper
title
> > >> >> (as
> > >> >> Dr
> > >> >> Grossman has stated publicly and with finality that people do not
> own
> > >> >> numbers, but numbers are assigned to specific meteorite specimens
> and
> > >> >> must
> > >> >> not be used with other meteorites just because you heard or
someone
> > > told
> > >> > you
> > >> >> it is the same).
> > >> >> Let's all please stop this practice as it is really hurting our
> > > business
> > >> > and
> > >> >> hobby. Virtually every dealer including myself has been or is
guilty
> > >> >> of
> > >> >> this, we are in the process of correcting the situation and to
start
> > >> > people
> > >> >> MUST immediately comply or this will just spiral downward as we
see
> > >> > tonight.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I perused eBay today and it is still rampant with sellers using
> > >> >> numbers
> > >> > they
> > >> >> seem to have drawn from a hat. So please ask you seller next time
> you
> > > buy
> > >> >> something, how they got that number, who it was assigned to and if
> not
> > >> > them,
> > >> >> just how they came to call it that.
> > >> >> Mike Farmer
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
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