[meteorite-list] Amgala Status

From: philippe thomas <thomasmeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Nov 12 12:02:04 2004
Message-ID: <110689.1100278921544.JavaMail.www_at_wwinf0403>

Hi Mike and Listees,

I?ve got exactly the same point of view as Mike. I don?t say that a swindle didn?t exist or still
exists or anything like that, I don?t know anything about that, but a thing is sure : Amgala
(provisional name) is really a new fall. It fell 20km away from Oum Dreyga, on Gour Lafkah
mountains. It exists some rare fragments, picked up just after the fall, which have not been
weathered by any rain.
The classification (H3.7/H5) is the official result of the MNHNP analysis.

Best Wishes,
Philippe Thomas


>
> Yes, Amgala looks like Zag, but as a man who has sold about 80 kilos of Zag
> and 7 kilos of Amgala, there are subtle differences that anyone can see if
> they have seen a few pieces of Zag.
> Zag has very thick coarse fusion crust, often bumpy and granular.
> Amgala has smooth thinner crust, almost never granular. Zag is much more
> uniform, large breccia.
> Amgala tends to be very small breccia pieces, more black shock veins.
> To the trained eye, they look nothing alike and could not be mistaken for
> each other.
> I was in Morocco last week, I saw some zag, it is horrible, any zag coming
> out of Morocco now is rusted all to heck, and look really bad.
> Amgala is still there, still clean and many pieces looking like they never
> saw rain (which they didn't).
> I would be please to examine any suspected piece of either and make the call
> for anyone who thinks they were swindled.
> I really don't see any scams happening though, I have looked through ebay
> and seen nothing out of the ordinary.
> Michael Farmer
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "McomeMeteorite Meteorite" <meteorites_at_hotmail.com>
> To: <thomasmeteorites_at_wanadoo.fr>; <raremeteorites@comcast.net>;
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status
>
>
> > Strange...type Zag .....H3/6 very few difference.....and its brecciated
> > from the pieces have cut....
> >
> > Matteo
> >
> >
> >>From: philippe thomas <thomasmeteorites_at_wanadoo.fr>
> >>Reply-To: thomasmeteorites_at_wanadoo.fr
> >>To: Adam Hupe
> >><raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>,meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status
> >>Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:30:01 +0100 (CET)
> >>
> >>Hi Adam and Listees,
> >>
> >>The classification of Amgala (Provisional name) is H3.7/H5.
> >>
> >>Best Wishes,
> >>Philippe
> >>Meteoritica
> >>
> >> > Hi All,
> >> >
> >> > Mike asked the status of Amgala. Amgala (Provisional Working Name) is
> >>still
> >> > under study at NAU. There are several reasons for the delay. One, NAU
> >>has
> >> > a huge cue. Two, it is a very complex meteorite. Three, nine months
> >> > is
> >>not
> >> > that long to wait when we still have material from over three years ago
> >> > still not completed. I will check the status Monday and give updates
> >>if
> >> > there are any.
> >> >
> >> > Kind Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Adam
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> >> > To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>;
> >> > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:42 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Adam, by the way, what the hell is Amgala? We have heard no official
> >> > > classification in 9 months.
> >> > > What is the deal?
> >> > > Mike Farmer
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> >> > > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:45 PM
> >> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > Dear List,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > While studying the problems associated with number borrowing I came
> >>up
> >> > > > with
> >> > > > a list of the most abused names. I see there have been some
> >> > improvements
> >> > > > lately in this area such as web sites have been changed, some are
> >>using
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > term suspected pairing and others are submitting suspected pairings
> >>to
> >> > > > laboratories. This is good news and will help improve collector
> >> > > > confidence.
> >> > > > If every dealer did his/her best to follow the rules set forth by
> >>the
> >> > > > NomCom, meteorite collecting could evolve to the next plateau.
> >> > > > Here
> >>are
> >> > a
> >> > > > few examples that could stand some improvement:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Amgala*
> >> > > > Cleaned Zag being substituted, only one well known dealer still at
> >> > fault.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > NWA 1109*
> >> > > > Still being sold as a Howardite - Name borrowed heavily - Self
> >> > proclaimed
> >> > > > pairings
> >> > > >
> >> > > > NWA 1068
> >> > > > Self proclaimed pairings
> >> > > >
> >> > > > NWA 1110*
> >> > > > Mass self proclaimed pairings
> >> > > >
> >> > > > NWA 1877*
> >> > > > Self proclaimed pairings
> >> > > >
> >> > > > NWA 1817*
> >> > > > Self proclaimed pairings
> >> > > >
> >> > > > NWA 1827
> >> > > > Self proclaimed pairings
> >> > > >
> >> > > > NWA 1878*
> >> > > > Self proclaimed pairings
> >> > > >
> >> > > > NWA 1929
> >> > > > Mass self proclaimed pairings
> >> > > >
> >> > > > NWA 3118*
> >> > > > Mass self proclaimed pairings
> >> > > >
> >> > > > NWA 3140*
> >> > > > Mass self proclaimed pairings
> >> > > >
> >> > > > * Studies paid for by The Hupe Collection
> >> > > >
> >> > > > As you can see by the number of asterisks we have a large
> >> > > > investment
> >>in
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > above listed meteorites. This is why we take exception to anybody
> >>using
> >> > > > these numbers that has not made their material official. We spend
> >> > > > thousands
> >> > > > every month on the study of NWA material and do not depend on grant
> >> > money.
> >> > > > This money comes directly out of our pockets. I hope a month from
> >>now
> >> > > > this
> >> > > > list is shorter. I will become more specific if needed in the
> >>future.
> >> > > > Now
> >> > > > lets have some fun doing the right thing.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > All the best,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ------------------------------------
> >> > > > Adam Hupe
> >> > > > The Hupe Collection
> >> > > > Team LunarRock
> >> > > > IMCA 2185
> >> > > > raremeteorites_at_comcast.net
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
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